LS-190 **V8 engine swap with pics**
09-21-2012, 11:43 AM
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1986 190E 6.7-16, 2004 500SL, 1971 350 SE Euro
Im looking into an 8.8 for mine. You're well on your way. When does the surgery start?
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04-20-2013, 03:26 AM
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is it possible to swap a carbeurated chevy 350 with a 5 speed standard trans into a 95 S500 looking to do this conversion soon wondering how easy it will be the car has a stock 5.0 litre mercedes V8 and removing the engine wiring harness does not affect the non engine electrics of the car hoping to build a dead simple carb'd car out of this car the stock engines wiring harness's on these are notoriously terrible and cost an arm and a leg to replace mine is already toast and just wondering how easy it would be to swap a 350 into it and bypass all the engine electrics, theres tons of room in the engine bay so i would imagine it would fit easily. any advice?
04-20-2013, 06:55 PM
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Something about swapping a 60s iron block ohv american domestic engine into a 90s Mercedes to replace its dohc/variable-intake M119 Group C/Le Mans race engine homologation reminds me of the term cutting off your nose to spite your face.
In performance terms, all marketing claims aside the net power of a 70s Corvette 350 "high performance engine" gives away 100-150hp to the M119 with none of the flexibility, efficiency or several other virtues anywhere to be seen. In tech terms the amount of money to re-engineer the ancient OHV small block to qualitive standard of the DOHC M119 would cost as much as rebuilding the the car to a showroom standard, with none of the performance and sheer futility in achieving anything like its marque.
You might as well toss a 60s Sköda engine into it. Why not just buy an American car?
Or better yet, repair the M119 and seek an experienced German tuning shop and custom fabricators to source parts if you'd like to warm it over.
In performance terms, all marketing claims aside the net power of a 70s Corvette 350 "high performance engine" gives away 100-150hp to the M119 with none of the flexibility, efficiency or several other virtues anywhere to be seen. In tech terms the amount of money to re-engineer the ancient OHV small block to qualitive standard of the DOHC M119 would cost as much as rebuilding the the car to a showroom standard, with none of the performance and sheer futility in achieving anything like its marque.
You might as well toss a 60s Sköda engine into it. Why not just buy an American car?
Or better yet, repair the M119 and seek an experienced German tuning shop and custom fabricators to source parts if you'd like to warm it over.
04-20-2013, 09:14 PM
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I'm not interested in doing the swap for power purposes or for racing, I'm doing it for fuel economy reliability and ease of repair, where I live (Canada) Mercedes especially S500 parts are difficult to come by and come and an exceptionally high price 700$ for a used wiring harness that only might repair the issues this engine is having not to mention what else it might require, I am however familiar with working on and mainting domestic engines and parts are everywhere for these I could pick up an entire Chevy 350 with a 5 speed transmission for less than 500$ and I will know that it works on the economy side I have some blueprints for a device that uses a throttle body injection system and some other parts to increase furl economy to the point where it will be far better than anything I could do with the factory Mercedes engine, not to mentioned I won't have all these over engineered poorly designed Electrics to deal with (yes they are poorly designed Mercedes admitted as such when they did a factory recall on the wiring harnesses of these cars) I'm just looking for advice on performing this swap not suggestions to avoid it as I am not interested in dealing with Mercedes electrical systems on my car and would just like to put a cheap effective easy to maintain engine into my car.
06-14-2013, 01:58 PM
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Read the thread and understand what it's about before responding. No where at any time did anyone mention an antique iron 350 Chevy engine so I'm not sure where you imagined that from.
This guy put in an aluminum 5.7 from a recent vintage C5/z28 that will make double the power of the MB powertrain , similar weight and likely get better fuel economy as well.
This guy put in an aluminum 5.7 from a recent vintage C5/z28 that will make double the power of the MB powertrain , similar weight and likely get better fuel economy as well.
Something about swapping a 60s iron block ohv american domestic engine into a 90s Mercedes to replace its dohc/variable-intake M119 Group C/Le Mans race engine homologation reminds me of the term cutting off your nose to spite your face.
In performance terms, all marketing claims aside the net power of a 70s Corvette 350 "high performance engine" gives away 100-150hp to the M119 with none of the flexibility, efficiency or several other virtues anywhere to be seen. In tech terms the amount of money to re-engineer the ancient OHV small block to qualitive standard of the DOHC M119 would cost as much as rebuilding the the car to a showroom standard, with none of the performance and sheer futility in achieving anything like its marque.
You might as well toss a 60s Sköda engine into it. Why not just buy an American car?
Or better yet, repair the M119 and seek an experienced German tuning shop and custom fabricators to source parts if you'd like to warm it over.
In performance terms, all marketing claims aside the net power of a 70s Corvette 350 "high performance engine" gives away 100-150hp to the M119 with none of the flexibility, efficiency or several other virtues anywhere to be seen. In tech terms the amount of money to re-engineer the ancient OHV small block to qualitive standard of the DOHC M119 would cost as much as rebuilding the the car to a showroom standard, with none of the performance and sheer futility in achieving anything like its marque.
You might as well toss a 60s Sköda engine into it. Why not just buy an American car?
Or better yet, repair the M119 and seek an experienced German tuning shop and custom fabricators to source parts if you'd like to warm it over.
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12-29-2016, 04:30 PM
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10 C63/p31, 84 190/5.8L, 14 Audi Q5 TDI, 03 Suburban /8.1, 87 Porsche 944/358" 77 Ferrari 308 Dino
Yes, My 190/5.8 is for sale
My 190 track car is for sale for sure as it is now retired. I'm in the finish stages of a new faster build, a Porsche 944 with a 358 NASCAR engine in it!!
This will be around 2450 lbs and 700hp/ 8400rpm redline
For pictures and current information on the 450hp/410tq 5 speed 190, got to Racerconnect.com, then go to track cars, time trial and it is listed there. The only change not shown is that I was running 295/35-17 Hoosier R6 tires on the rear using 10X17" 3pc wheels. These were 'borrowed' from the front of the 944 under construction!
If the car doesn't sell by Spring, it will be parted out. At that time, I will be back to post individual parts with prices FOB, NC.
A few months back I was chasing down some Porsche GT3s at VIR which really ticked them off. Some knew the car, others that were new to VIR or from well out of the area didn't know about it, but learned quickly
Any questions, feel free to ask....
Toby
This will be around 2450 lbs and 700hp/ 8400rpm redline
For pictures and current information on the 450hp/410tq 5 speed 190, got to Racerconnect.com, then go to track cars, time trial and it is listed there. The only change not shown is that I was running 295/35-17 Hoosier R6 tires on the rear using 10X17" 3pc wheels. These were 'borrowed' from the front of the 944 under construction!
If the car doesn't sell by Spring, it will be parted out. At that time, I will be back to post individual parts with prices FOB, NC.
A few months back I was chasing down some Porsche GT3s at VIR which really ticked them off. Some knew the car, others that were new to VIR or from well out of the area didn't know about it, but learned quickly
Any questions, feel free to ask....
Toby
12-31-2016, 01:24 AM
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10 C63/p31, 84 190/5.8L, 14 Audi Q5 TDI, 03 Suburban /8.1, 87 Porsche 944/358" 77 Ferrari 308 Dino
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I would try to help you but there are no new messages in my box since March, 2016! Yours hasn't made it in yet? Suggest trying again!
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01-10-2017, 11:59 PM
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'07 Toyota Tacoma, '89 LS190, '07 Kawasaki Ultra 250X
Any updates? Inquiring minds want to know!
https://mbworld.org/articles/from-th...truly-awesome/
https://mbworld.org/articles/from-th...truly-awesome/
Talk about the longest project ever.
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