190E 2.3-16V ENGINE NOISE

ceed09 · 10-27-2010, 01:23 PM

I checked out a 2.3-16V for sale and the only thing that makes me hesitant to buy the car is the loud clatter noise on the front of the engine. The owner said he just changed the timing chain but did not change the tensioner. It does'nt sound like tappet noise. Any idea?

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Ludwig · 11-05-2010, 05:21 PM

DON'T DO IT.
Just bought one from a fellow in your same position. He paid $5000 for a 190E 2.3-16 "Daily Driver." Problem is to make it a "Daily Driver" would have cost him another $5000

Likely hood is that the timing chain tensioner was mis handled. These are ratcheting tensioners. When mishandled they over tighten the chain and the chain literally grinds through the tensioning rail. iF THE OIL IS SILVERY OFFER HIM $200 TO $500 OR WALK.
Follow my video bloge on what happened to this one. I have the engine out and am about ready to remove the cyl head and front cover to reveal the damage.
http://www.masterautotechllc.com/blog/

AMGC · 11-22-2010, 09:26 AM

haha great timing chain job! changing the chain and not the tensioner to the updated one?!

Ludwig · 11-22-2010, 12:20 PM

As long as the tensioner is re-loaded properly there will be no problem if it isn't worn out. The problem comes when the entire tensioner is removed without unloading the spring or the chain is taken lose before removing the tensioner. The tensioner ratchets to the end and when it is re-installed the chain is too tight so as in the case of the car I am working on the chain rail wears out and destroys the engine.
I'll try to get the pictures up loaded this week as I have the cyl head off and can clearly see the worn tensioner rail.

AMGC · 11-22-2010, 05:36 PM

I could save you a lot of time and trouble by selling you 90K 16V motor I have. I bought it to have a spare engine around as I was planning to push upwards of 18psi on the engine in the car, but have decided to part with it to use the money to buy aftermarket rods among other things and winters basically here and the car is garaged till the street sweepers come around in the spring so plenty of time to do the engine work.

Ludwig · 11-22-2010, 08:40 PM

"Man born of a woman is few of days and full of trouble." Thanks for the thought but trouble is not the trouble. Money is the trouble. Besides that blogging an engine swap would be less interesting.

jerebiznis · 07-04-2011, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ludwig

"Man born of a woman is few of days and full of trouble." Thanks for the thought but trouble is not the trouble. Money is the trouble. Besides that blogging an engine swap would be less interesting.

Hi.. i need your help with a 190e 16v that won't start due to no spark. is there a relay or fuse for ignition , if so what is the location ...

plz help..

11-05-2010, 05:21 PM	#2
Ludwig Newbie Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bellingham WA Posts: 9 Drives: 1988 190E 2.3-16	De ja vue all over again DON'T DO IT. Just bought one from a fellow in your same position. He paid $5000 for a 190E 2.3-16 "Daily Driver." Problem is to make it a "Daily Driver" would have cost him another $5000 Likely hood is that the timing chain tensioner was mis handled. These are ratcheting tensioners. When mishandled they over tighten the chain and the chain literally grinds through the tensioning rail. iF THE OIL IS SILVERY OFFER HIM $200 TO $500 OR WALK. Follow my video bloge on what happened to this one. I have the engine out and am about ready to remove the cyl head and front cover to reveal the damage. http://www.masterautotechllc.com/blog/

11-22-2010, 09:26 AM	#3
AMGC Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: May 2008 Location: MA Posts: 876 Drives: Turbo'd 87 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth and a C32 AMG silver on black/blue	haha great timing chain job! changing the chain and not the tensioner to the updated one?! __________________ 1996 C36-gone 1987 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth Turbo-Getrag, SL int.,95A polys,AMG Monos,Momo,Evo2 sways,AMG Calipers,EFI, Mosselman,Garrett...M3s=lolz 1986 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth SC'd w/ Eaton M62-sold C32 ///AMG Designo Eurocharged w/carbon fiber obsession,Euro strips,Command,Dension GW,55k intake,all LED,Sprint Booster,PLX,Digital Gauges,Brabus Vs, CV8 Brabus CF interior&shiftknob,Billys',H&Rs,& more to come...M3s still=lolz

11-22-2010, 12:20 PM	#4
Ludwig Newbie Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bellingham WA Posts: 9 Drives: 1988 190E 2.3-16	Tensioner As long as the tensioner is re-loaded properly there will be no problem if it isn't worn out. The problem comes when the entire tensioner is removed without unloading the spring or the chain is taken lose before removing the tensioner. The tensioner ratchets to the end and when it is re-installed the chain is too tight so as in the case of the car I am working on the chain rail wears out and destroys the engine. I'll try to get the pictures up loaded this week as I have the cyl head off and can clearly see the worn tensioner rail.

11-22-2010, 05:36 PM	#5
AMGC Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: May 2008 Location: MA Posts: 876 Drives: Turbo'd 87 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth and a C32 AMG silver on black/blue	I could save you a lot of time and trouble by selling you 90K 16V motor I have. I bought it to have a spare engine around as I was planning to push upwards of 18psi on the engine in the car, but have decided to part with it to use the money to buy aftermarket rods among other things and winters basically here and the car is garaged till the street sweepers come around in the spring so plenty of time to do the engine work. __________________ 1996 C36-gone 1987 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth Turbo-Getrag, SL int.,95A polys,AMG Monos,Momo,Evo2 sways,AMG Calipers,EFI, Mosselman,Garrett...M3s=lolz 1986 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth SC'd w/ Eaton M62-sold C32 ///AMG Designo Eurocharged w/carbon fiber obsession,Euro strips,Command,Dension GW,55k intake,all LED,Sprint Booster,PLX,Digital Gauges,Brabus Vs, CV8 Brabus CF interior&shiftknob,Billys',H&Rs,& more to come...M3s still=lolz

11-22-2010, 08:40 PM	#6
Ludwig Newbie Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Bellingham WA Posts: 9 Drives: 1988 190E 2.3-16	Trouble "Man born of a woman is few of days and full of trouble." Thanks for the thought but trouble is not the trouble. Money is the trouble. Besides that blogging an engine swap would be less interesting.

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