Attention 4matic owners

[DinB]

I posted this in another thread, but that one is sort of dead and this is an important issue to discuss. When I test drove a C350 4matic yesterday, I noticed that the steering seemed very heavy at low speed and pretty lose at high speed! This is the opposite of what you would think. I mentioned this to the salesperson when I got back and he found it strange also. Does your car exhibit this? Also, such a slap in the face by Mercedes to remove the shift paddles on the 4matics!

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[cavasotti]

Mine doesnt do it. and mine has the paddle shifts. i dont know what you test drove but it certainly doesnt seem to be anything like mine..

[DinB]

Originally Posted by cavasotti

Mine doesnt do it. and mine has the paddle shifts. i dont know what you test drove but it certainly doesnt seem to be anything like mine..

Wait, so you have a 4matic, but it HAS paddle shifters on the wheel? WTF?!

[cavasotti]

Originally Posted by DinB

Wait, so you have a 4matic, but it HAS paddle shifters on the wheel? WTF?!

yes. I have a C350 Coupe 4matic with paddle shifters. there are pictures of it on my thread.

[cavasotti]

[DinB]

Wow, the retards at Mercedes Benz Canada better have an answer for this. I am tired of their bull****. **** them, I will buy the car in the USA. They charge us money for 4matic, then take away tons of options.

Tell me, how does your wheel stiffness feel while driving? I am still surprised that the car felt so stiff and heavy at low speed and then so lose at high speed.

Thank you.

[cyberglk350]

Maybe the car you drove had the Dynamic Handling Package. I know the DHP changes the steering feel. I think I read on here somewhere that it does make the steering lighter at higher speed, or maybe the opposite. I can't say for sure. My car does not have the DHP. So I do not know the difference. Something to investigate I suppose?

[DinB]

Originally Posted by cyberglk350

Maybe the car you drove had the Dynamic Handling Package. I know the DHP changes the steering feel. I think I read on here somewhere that it does make the steering lighter at higher speed, or maybe the opposite. I can't say for sure. My car does not have the DHP. So I do not know the difference. Something to investigate I suppose?

Yeah but 4 matics are not supposed to have any dynamic handling package at all! I will try to get more info out my salesman.

[cavasotti]

my steering wheel feels great. a bit looser than the Evo's not too loose at any moment. i think it could be maybe a tiny big stiffer at higher speeds, but again, I havent really tested that..

[ptboa]

I'm in Canada and my C350 4matic Coupe has the paddle shifters so I'm not sure what you test drove and the steering is nothing like what you've described!

[cavasotti]

Originally Posted by ptboa

I'm in Canada and my C350 4matic Coupe has the paddle shifters so I'm not sure what you test drove and the steering is nothing like what you've described!

^yeah that. I think you test drove a mini van man! hahaha

[DinB]

Originally Posted by ptboa

I'm in Canada and my C350 4matic Coupe has the paddle shifters so I'm not sure what you test drove and the steering is nothing like what you've described!

Ok... Woah, something is stranger here. I drove a 4matic coupe. It had the 4 matic badge under the temperature controls. Where did you buy your car? Are you sure it was not imported from USA? The one I tried also had full leather and the premium package and driver assist package. So fully loaded except for keyless start and camera.

[DinB]

Hey Ptboa, where is that proof of your Canadian 4matic with paddles?

[jctevere]

Originally Posted by DinB

Hey Ptboa, where is that proof of your Canadian 4matic with paddles?

I don't know about Ptboa, but CavaScotti has a U.S. Spec C350 4Matic. I don't think that you can get paddle shifters in Canada unless you step up to the C63 ///AMG - Go figure?

[cavasotti]

http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/...s.flash.html#9

go on highlights and then on safety it shows the paddle shifters.. i just dont know if that is a 350 4matic.. it makes no sense to remove the paddles, but you never know..

[cavasotti]

Originally Posted by jctevere

I don't know about Ptboa, but CavaScotti has a U.S. Spec C350 4Matic. I don't think that you can get paddle shifters in Canada unless you step up to the C63 ///AMG - Go figure?

yes and I have plenty of pictures on my thread to show that it is a 350 and a 4matic and it has paddles..

[skat004]

My steering behaves in the complete opposite manner.
Heavy at high speeds while cornering and light when static or moving very slowly.

[DinB]

I don't know guys, I am pretty dishearted at the moment with MB

[jkyriakou]

Paddle shifts on anything other than the AMG come with the dynamic handling package.

[cavasotti]

i dont think i have the DHP and I have paddle shifters.. at least it doesnt say anywhere that I do have.

[Jav_A]

Originally Posted by jctevere

I don't know about Ptboa, but CavaScotti has a U.S. Spec C350 4Matic. I don't think that you can get paddle shifters in Canada unless you step up to the C63 ///AMG - Go figure?

we get the paddle shifters on any model in Canada with the DHP or the 'sport package' is what they called when i was buying my car. Dont know about 4matic in Canada but another member just said he has one...

To OP, i also found that the staff at the Canadian dealerships (especially GTA) dont know SH*TT.. . so u might have to do ur own research and validate.

[Twodog]

Interestingly I picked up my car on Wed, C350 4M, Canada. Loaded minus leather.

No paddle shifters, talked to the dealership and they say CDN 350 4M don't get paddle shifters, my steering wheel has the holes for the paddle shifters.

His logic was that the paddle shifters are more aggressive and shift differently than the stick and with the 4m's there's no paddle shifters.

I also peered in the window of another 350 4M at the dealership and it did not have the paddle shifters.


Again, this is Canada.


If you drive a 2012 C350 4M Canadian model, post if you do or don't have paddle shifters.

Thanks,
Two

[jctevere]

Originally Posted by cavasotti

i dont think i have the DHP and I have paddle shifters.. at least it doesnt say anywhere that I do have.

Yeah, Canada and USA spec cars are different, in USA every single trim coupe gets paddle shifters, C250, C350, C63, with or without DHP (Dynamic Handling Package). It appears in other countries (Canada in specific), you only get paddle shifters if you order the Dynamic Handling Package (probably called "sport package" in their country). Since you can't get 4Matic with DHP (sport package), you can't get paddle shifters in Canada with a 4Matic it seems.

At any rate, to make you feel better, the paddle shifters are more of a gimmick then any practical use. On auto cars, the inputs are delayed. Its one of the features you try once, and say, that was cool, I'm over it... So just go test drive a coupe with it and get it out of your system.

[Twodog]

Originally Posted by jctevere

Yeah, Canada and USA spec cars are different, in USA every single trim coupe gets paddle shifters, C250, C350, C63, with or without DHP (Dynamic Handling Package). It appears in other countries (Canada in specific), you only get paddle shifters if you order the Dynamic Handling Package (probably called "sport package" in their country). Since you can't get 4Matic with DHP (sport package), you can't get paddle shifters in Canada with a 4Matic it seems.

At any rate, to make you feel better, the paddle shifters are more of a gimmick then any practical use. On auto cars, the inputs are delayed. Its one of the features you try once, and say, that was cool, I'm over it... So just go test drive a coupe with it and get it out of your system.

Well in CDA, it's my understanding that the 4M gets the Sport Package with DHP, as a standard option. Mind you I could be very wrong.


Yea I know their gimmicky, but it just makes me feel like an F1 driver, even if I don't use them. I think I'm gonna glue some on

[DinB]

Originally Posted by Twodog

Interestingly I picked up my car on Wed, C350 4M, Canada. Loaded minus leather.

No paddle shifters, talked to the dealership and they say CDN 350 4M don't get paddle shifters, my steering wheel has the holes for the paddle shifters.

His logic was that the paddle shifters are more aggressive and shift differently than the stick and with the 4m's there's no paddle shifters.

I also peered in the window of another 350 4M at the dealership and it did not have the paddle shifters.


Again, this is Canada.


If you drive a 2012 C350 4M Canadian model, post if you do or don't have paddle shifters.

Thanks,
Two

They don't shift differently you can simply shift without taking your hands off the wheel. Taking out the dynamic handling package out of the 4m coupe is a big hit for them since I would 99% be playing my order over Audi.