TAMISH-ZN

hey guys...

b4 i start the questions, i would jus like 2 say that I AM HOME

i thort that i was the only MB fanatic thats a youngster, coz all my friends are BMW guys

anyway, im having trouble with my W203 200K.

there is this funny noise thats coming from the gearbox. its like a grinding noise. it starts of slow and as i go faster, the "clanking" goes faster as well.

anyone here has had a similar problem and is there anyone that has an idea on wats teh problem???

help will GREATLY b appreciated!

thanx in advance!

rgrds
Tamish

drexappeal

I'm assuming manual transmission? Or do you have automatic? Not sure what's offered in your country because they don't have the 200K in the US.

TAMISH-ZN

well i have an auto tipshift!!

its teh same as the C230K except that its a 2l instead of a 2.3

TAMISH-ZN

any1 els???

advans

maybe transmission mounts? it sounds like its clicking?

drexappeal

So it's the m111 engine, not the m271?

TAMISH-ZN

it is a sort of clicking sound!!!!!!

wer are the transmission mounts??

i had a guy check under the car and he sed that he cant see anythng wrong from there!!

i donno wat m111 and m271 are!!

all i know is that its a 2litre engine thats supercharged!!

wen i put it on the line against my 2007 200 kompressor, which is a 1.8litre supercharged, my 2007 KILLS it from the line right thru!!!!

and my 2003 is doing 150 000+km which is bout 100 000miles so the engine is open!! to have a brand new car kill it is sad!!

drexappeal

Stop with the double exclamation points!!!!!!

Okay, just to clarify, you have a m271 C200 Kompressor, which is a 1.8 litre. Your post earlier said you had a 2.0, which led to my question regarding m111 vs. m271 which are the engine codes for the supercharged i4 engines.

The m111 originally was available in the w202 chassis and moved over to be available in the 2002 Coupe. But, in 2003, MB moved to the m271 engine which was supposed to be quieter, but the engine only lasted (in the US) until 2005.

Now, that being clarified, where does the sound seem like it is originating from (i.e. front vs. rear; driver side vs. passenger side; etc...)? If the sound gets faster as you go faster, it makes me wonder if you're running aftermarket rims. If so, what are the specifications on the rims?

From what you've explained, it sounds like it could be a potential rubbing issue.

TAMISH-ZN

k i wil stop with the double exclamation marks!

the car in question is the 2litre not the 1.8!

the 1.8 200K beat the 2litre 200k!

anyway, the sound is like a clicking sound coming from the gearbox section!

i am reli worried coz my father is getting sick of sorting out my cars!

about 4 weeks back my entrie sound system {bout $2000 worth} and my 18chrome rims got stolen of my bakkie!

and i aonther thing is that benz parts are expensive.

TAMISH-ZN

im sorry, 1 more thng...

the car is STOCK standard!

not even the rims have been changed.

well, i changed the tires as soon as i got the car.

i took out the goodyear nct 5's and i put on conti premium contact.

drexappeal

Did you have a mechanic ride with you so that he could hear the same sound that you are hearing?

A lot of times, it's harder for a mechanic to diagnose when a car is lifted, if you can't tell them the exact source of the sound (positively w/o hesitation).

If you're running all stock and the tires are the same size as OEM, that definitely rules out any rubbing issues. In this case, my assumption would be with regards to the transmission. What exactly, it's hard to tell from just your description. Have a mechanic ride with you in your car, so that they can diagnose it properly before lifting it up and looking under the hood/car.

Moviela

Possibly the Guibo, a flexible rubber disc that couples the output of the transmission to the drive shaft. They are good for about 100,000Km. Then they usually crack and make strange thumping sounds, or break and leave you stranded at night in Natal. Lions, Cheetahs, and Hyenas! Oh My!

Boom vang

Maybe it is a generation gap, but sometimes I feel it is harder to read these passages that are spelled in gangster English. Maybe they feel it is cute but to me it is low class and un-educated and quite frankly do not see the point as you really are not saving any time leaving out the odd letter or two, infact for the reader it takes longer to read because it is like reading a new language. My 7 year old nephew in grade 2 writes better.

Certainly if I wrote to my clients and my boss using words such as:"coz, b4, jus, im, dnt, wats, b ,thanx, teh, rgrds, any1 els, i, thg, 1, bakkie, donno, thru, bout, reli, k, wen" they would not take me seriously and I would be out the door fairly quickly You don't see this speak in car magazines or in newspapers so I wonder why it finds its way here especially in a forum that is dedicated to aspirational vehicles that cater to the more elite and educated. I am sure it is not even thought of in as a target group at MB marketing.

I think that perhaps you have more problems in your written work clicking and grinding its way its passages than the problems that your car may have.

dats mi rant 4 2day, cuz im 2 cuul 4 mi ohn goode!!


PS Mercedes never made a 2L supercharged engine

kompressorc230

***hey boom, maybe this will clear up everything...

TAMISH-ZN

well, this should help inform you that mercedes DID come with a 2litre supercharged...



i'm not sure about u gentlemen, but, i always assumed that is the displacement is 1,998cm3, that vehicle is rated as a 2litre.

correct me if im wrong, the c180 is a 2litre and the c200 is a 2litre SUPERCHARGED.

with regard to my "uneducated" wording... i'm sorry that i am not well spoken to your liking.

and for your information "BAKKIE" is not slang. it is the term we south africans use to refer to a half tonner van.

if you have nothing constructive to say, PLEASE don't say anything at all.

bear in mind that i am 20 years old and i am in university and taking time to type correctly on a forum is, to me, a waste of precious study time.

with regard to the noise, i have had a mechanic sit in the vehicle before he checked under it and he said that he will have to strip before he can tell what is wrong.

now i would just like to know the possiblities before he even checks it.

the last thing i want, is for me to leave my car there and come back to him and he tells me that its a major problem which is going to set me back a large sum.

Boom vang

I will be corrected if I am wrong but I believe that the spec list that is posted is wrong because all the research proves that there is no 2L supercharged engine



The Mercedes-Benz M271 engine is a straight-4 automobile piston engine family used in the 2000s.

All M271 engines are built in Bad Cannstatt, Germany. The family has a cast iron engine block and aluminum DOHC cylinder heads. It uses SFI fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder with variable valve timing, is supercharged and intercooled, and features fracture-split forged steel connecting rods.


E18
The E18 is a 1.8 L (1796 cc) version. Bore is 82 mm and stroke is 85 mm. Output ranges from 143 hp ECE (105 kW) at 5500 rpm to 192 hp ECE (141 kW) at 5800 rpm. A version running on natural gas was introduced in the German market in 2002.

Applications:

2001 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 180, C 200, C 230
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class, SLK 200
2002 Mercedes-Benz E-Class, E 200

E23
The E23 is a 2.3 L (2295 cc) version. Bore is 90.9 mm and stroke is 88.4 mm. Output is 197 hp ECE (145 kW) at 5300 rpm with 271 Nm (200 ft.lbf) of torque at 2500 to 4800 rpm.

Applications:

1995-2002 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 230 Kompressor
1998-2004 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class SLK 230 Kompressor

Boom vang

Here is the family of 4cyl engines


I4
1953-1961 OM636 Diesel

1955-1968 M121

1959-1967 OM621 Diesel

1968-1973 OM615 Diesel
2.0 L
2.2 L

1968-1976 M115
2.0 L
2.3 L

1973-1983 OM616 Diesel
2.4 L

1984-1993 M102
2.0 L
2.3 L

1994-2004 M111
M271
1.8 L (1796 cc) E18
2.3 L (2295 cc) E23

OM611 Diesel
2.2 L

drexappeal

Aside from the m111 engine, which was a 2.3 litre i4, I don't recall that Mercedes made different lines of production for the m271 engine.

Since it has been established that you have a m271, the C180, c200 and c230 all are using the same engine.

c180 = i4 NA
C200 = i4 Supercharged (smaller supercharger)
C230 = i4 Supercharged (larger supercharger)

That being said, these are all based off a 1.8 litre engine, not a 2.0 litre. Unless, of course, Mercedes decided to make the lower rated 180 and 200 a 2.0 vs. the 230, which I believe is not available in all countries.

TAMISH-ZN

boom, you are SO narrow minded.

the world is MUCH bigger than the usa.

do you really think that mercedes is going to have the same engines available in all the countries in the world?

i know that India has a C200cdi and here, the smallest cdi is the C220cdi.

as for the spec list that i posted, that was scanned of my owners manual on my 2003 car.

just to make you happy, later, when i find time, i will scan the same spec list from my 2007 owners manual.

@ drex: i thng that in the states the difference is the physical supercharger.
here in SA, the only difference is the software.

between 2003-2004 the C180K, C200K and the C230 sport coupe all had the EXACT SAME 1.8 supercharged ENGINE. the only disrepancy was the software. i have seen the C230 sport coupe being eaten by a C180 CLASSIC with a software upgrade!

drexappeal

Okay, so we're in agreement that your car is in fact a 1.8 litre and not a 2.0 as you had stated.

That's the main discrepancy here that was trying to be confirmed.

Now that this is confirmed, lets get back to your original problem. I would highly suggest what I had indicated. Have a mechanic ride with you so that he/she can hear the issue that you are concerned about and go from there.

Boom vang

TAMISH, seems that you don't know your geography either because if you look at my id on the side I do not live in the USA, and for being narrow minded I am just looking at the facts. If I am proven wrong I will be the first to admit it. I think that perhaps the scan that you posted may have been an error in the printing and sometimes even the manufacturer does get it wrong in their data posted.

The engines between the 180, 200 and 230 is more than a "simple software upgrade" which is technically not true because they are controled by a chip(s)in the ECU and that is hardware and the only way you can change the program on hardware is via firmware. If you look at the post on Kompressors, I posted one of the differences and that has to be compression ratios ranging from 8.5:1 to 10:1 depending on the version and Drex mentioned that the superchargers are different as well as the amount of boost that they generate is also different.

I am fully aware that different markets has different engines and for example the new W204 in North America only gets 2 types of engines 2 V6's and an AMG V8 next year as compared with the rest of the world can have as much as 8 different powerplants. All the engines are from a family/pool with no one market getting an exclusive unit that is only available in their market.

But in all my searching and knowledge there is not one place that I can verify that the M271 came in a 2L supercharged engine. The only supercharged 4cyl engines listed were a 1.8L and a 2.3L. It would be too expensive to develop an engine that is available only in 1 market.

Ogpogo

Damn, glad SOMEONE said it.

shan

Hi guys,
The C class is officially designated as C180 just like its predecessor the 190E.
I am from Malaysia.
When I was buying the C class W203 back in 2002, I had 2 options:
1. A CLASSIC version with displacement 1998 c.c. carrying a C200 logo at the rear. It has an output of only 95 kW - no compressor.
2. An ELEGANCE version with the same displacement but with compressor. It carries the logo C200 and KOMPRESSOR at the rear. Its output is 120kW.
I chose to buy the classic version mainly due to the price difference.
So MB did make different engine versions of the C class for different markets.
Let us not get too offended by the language style/skill of the younger generation. They don't seem to care much about grammar these days.
SHAN.

drexappeal

That was never a question though. We were trying to establish whether he had the m111 engine or the m271. From what you mentioned above, you have a m111, whereas the person who started this thread didn't know the difference and then went on to say that his C200 was a 2.0 liter to confuse the matters even more.

Look, the main thing is, trying to resolve this person's problem is impossible without duplicating the sound or without anyone else that's experienced the same issue. I already gave the advice necessary. Hopefully ther person who posted this thread takes it.

kouka86

have you had the exhaust looked at? my car had a similar problem, it would make a rattling sound when I stepped on the gas and got louder at higher RPMs. Turned out to be one of my cats, dealership replaced my entire exhaust system because of warrenty...