STI or M3?

Bobdole · 11-19-2003, 02:44 PM

i've been contimplating if i should sell my 2002 C230 and buy a new 2004 M3 SMG or keep it and buy a new 2004 STI,what do u guys think?
And as most of you know,i have a pulley,sways,eibach springs,and c32 brakes and wheels on my coupe,so not your ordinar coupe if u know what i mean.

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Kain · 11-19-2003, 02:47 PM

Get the 2004 BMW M3.

gab · 11-19-2003, 02:49 PM

You should sell the car and sell all the mods to me

Keyser_Soze · 11-19-2003, 02:55 PM

Get used clean C32 below 40 K ! you blow doors off of STI and M3!!!!

Lynn · 11-19-2003, 03:07 PM

I got to make two runs at an autocross last Saturday in an Sti. The thing is absolutely amazing. You might want to test a Lancer Evo VIII, also.

If I were making your choice, I would keep the coupe and buy either the Soobie or the Mitsu. Spend a few hundred on the Sti and it will make 300 hp at the wheels.

FrankW · 11-19-2003, 03:21 PM

depends on which you think would be cost worthy. I know that the insurance fee for the 3-series has always be high, not just the M3's.

I personally vote for the M3, but if that's gonna be your commuter car I suggest you keep the current and get the STi or the EVO8. Two hours riding in my friend's 02 SMG on the freeway almost made me puke, ride's too harsh.

nukblazi · 11-19-2003, 03:29 PM

I would get the M3 just because they don't completely self destruct on impact. Secondly, check the subie forums, WRX and STIs are the hottest item on the stolen car market right now....

hammyoni · 11-19-2003, 06:17 PM

This again, the STi is turning out to be a major pain to mod. Not as reliable as the older STi's.

Jon200 · 11-20-2003, 08:46 AM

Keep the coupe and buy the STi, that way you have a comfy cruiser and a land rocket.....

BlackC230Coupe · 11-20-2003, 03:35 PM

I would go with the M3, although the STi can be fun.

11-20-2003, 06:04 PM

this thread is worthless since it isn't a poll.

11-20-2003, 06:05 PM

btw, i pick M3. get it before they make it ugly too.

Leonardo · 11-20-2003, 08:59 PM

I'm a Supermod over at Nasioc.com which is THE LARGEST Subaru site this side of the ocean and maybee of europe as well.

There have been close to 0 reports of stolen STi's. Wish I could say the same about the Evo which you can use the stolen engine in a regular Mirage, Lancer, Eclipse, Galant. You don't need stolen cars when almost every other vendor imports whole STi drivetrains from Japan

To mod, it is as easy as the WRX as the parts(most of them) are interchanchable (header, up-pipe, down-pipe, most of the exhausts, intakes) The only part still not out but in testing as we speak is the piggyback ECU called Utec from TurboXS (www.turboxs.com)

My other car (02 WRX) is close to stage 4 and at stage 4 you can keep up with an almost stock STi. When Moded, the STi is a true beast.

Brakes are the same as the evo but the Subie has a bulletproof tranny, DCCD (driver controled center diferential)

Now, if it's for comute, get the STi. If you are going to Auto-X or Solo-X two times or more a month, get the Evo (whigh is hader, stiffer ride for a commuter.

And about the comment about getting an C32 and blowing the doors off a STi

:p

My car, still with stock turbo will beat M3's, C32's, beat an NST at top speed and even out with a new Carrera 4S. Once turbo is upgraded it's a whole new ball game.

Don't get me wrong C32's and M3's are wonderfull cars but the bargain for the buck is with the STi/Evo. I would love a C32/M3 as a third car cuz Subaru is my first.

Can't beat AWD!!!

Zonoz · 11-20-2003, 09:35 PM

m3 anyday

TNblkc230wz · 11-20-2003, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon200
Keep the coupe and buy the STi, that way you have a comfy cruiser and a land rocket.....

This option gets my vote. I had an 84 Subie GL wagon. Horribly engineered, but it held up well in the head-on with a much larger car.

Sloth · 11-21-2003, 12:36 AM

The Brumby was the Subaru to have...

ultraseven · 11-21-2003, 01:56 AM

Leonardo pretty much drove the point home IMHO.

Various magazines across the globe (i.e. C & D, Road & Track, Best Car) stated that the Lan EVO is a better handler than the STi, which is most likely true given its lighter weight and more aggressive suspension setup. However, the US model actually is missing several components compared to its Japanese counterpart.

The US Spec STi has a 2.5 liter engine mated to a 6 speed which gives it a decisive advantage over Lan EVO in a straight line. From my understanding, no one else gets the 2.5 liter engine but correct me if I am wrong.

Price difference is about 2 grand....

STi would be my choice

The M3? If you want better styling and the prestige of a German name.

Kain · 11-21-2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keyser_Soze
Get used clean C32 below 40 K ! you blow doors off of STI and M3!!!!

A C32 AMG "blowing the doors off a M3?" Right.

Kain · 11-21-2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keyser_Soze
Get used clean C32 below 40 K ! you blow doors off of STI and M3!!!!

A C32 AMG "blowing the doors off a M3?" Right.

FrankW · 11-21-2003, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kain
A C32 AMG "blowing the doors off a M3?" Right.

come back when you've driven both...or should I say when you get a license.

kids these days...

FInality · 11-21-2003, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kain
A C32 AMG "blowing the doors off a M3?" Right.

Still here?

e46fanatics is the site for you. You can bash MB 24/7 and get lots of respect for doing so as well.

Rick · 11-21-2003, 06:45 AM

Why move down?

That's like trading a Maserati for a Corvette...

hobie · 11-21-2003, 08:02 AM

Check out an autox, like Lynn, the STIs are way cool. There were 2 new Evos (stock) at the last Autox , they both understeered excessively. Subi got the WRC driver champ this year. Never been an M3 fan, especially after the warranty expires. For 50k I'd go for a used SL. SL prices on the previous body, 2nd gen., are now in that range. At least drive an SL before you decide, at high speed it is fantastic.

Leonardo · 11-21-2003, 09:56 AM

Ultraseven, you are correct, we are the only ones to get the 2.5t

Forgot to mention, last weekend we had our road race (SCCA) and there were 3 M3's, 2 Evos, 1 Z06 Vette and 1 STi amongst others. The vette blew the engine and the victory overall went to the STi prepped for the race with only a weeks notice, riding on cheap Progress springs, Turbo back exhausr, and a fuel regulator.

Then came the M3's, Porsches and the rest. Evos were out of the top 5.

That should help ya decide! An STi with bolt-ons against better tuned cars.

Rick, it's not stepping down if you keep the add MB and the STi as a second car:p As I've don with the WRX and the MB

Leo

Bobdole · 11-21-2003, 10:44 AM

I thank everybody for there replies,i went and drove,many cars in the last few days,but all in all it still comes down to the M3 and STI.
The M3 is a gorgeous looking car with the stock 19's,and has a faboulous engine to boot,but i'd rather keep my Benz,and get an STI the car is a rocket,and i would have a coupe with an auto,and a small sedan with a manny AWD.Two entirley different cars for the price of the one M3.
Does anyone know what are the simple mods for the STI?besides exuast,blow off values,and suspension,and replacing the turbo guys is out of the question,someone said u could spend a few hundred dollars and get 300 hp to the wheels,how is that as there r no chips with enough R&D.

11-19-2003, 02:55 PM	#4
Keyser_Soze Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 158 Drives: C230 Komp Sedan - 2003	Get used clean C32 below 40 K ! you blow doors off of STI and M3!!!! __________________ C 230 Kompressor Sedan - 2003 Brabus Exhaust, H&R Cupkits, K&N Air Filter Subaru Impreza WRX STi / NO wing ~ NO scoop - 2005 APS SR55 (GT3076R), APS FMIC, APS CAI big MAF, APS BPV, APS 3.5" TBE, JECS 720 cc/min, Samco Inlet, Cusco Zero-2R coilovers, Greddy Profec-BII boost controller, Volk CE28N 18x8.5, Falken 245/40/18, Tuning via factory ECU programming

11-19-2003, 03:21 PM	#6
FrankW MBworld Guru Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Posts: 21,989 Drives: white and whiter	depends on which you think would be cost worthy. I know that the insurance fee for the 3-series has always be high, not just the M3's. I personally vote for the M3, but if that's gonna be your commuter car I suggest you keep the current and get the STi or the EVO8. Two hours riding in my friend's 02 SMG on the freeway almost made me puke, ride's too harsh. __________________ 2002 W203 M112K with insane amount of mods "updates on last page!" 2008 W204 M272 with not so much mods. wants 307hp 7200 redline engine from SL350 (new pic on last page) For Sale:

11-19-2003, 03:29 PM	#7
nukblazi MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Abingdon, MD Posts: 2,012	I would get the M3 just because they don't completely self destruct on impact. Secondly, check the subie forums, WRX and STIs are the hottest item on the stolen car market right now.... __________________ Sold :: evosport :: Kleemann USA :: StopTech Brakes ::

11-20-2003, 03:35 PM	#10
BlackC230Coupe PREMIUM SPONSOR Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,237 Drives: 08' Viper SRT10 & 08' S550	I would go with the M3, although the STi can be fun. __________________ Phone 1-866-950-7779 ext 2 Website www.EuroteckRacing.com E-Mail neal@etkms.com

11-20-2003, 08:59 PM	#13
Leonardo Almost a Member! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 37 Drives: W203 C320 Wagon	I'm a Supermod over at Nasioc.com which is THE LARGEST Subaru site this side of the ocean and maybee of europe as well. There have been close to 0 reports of stolen STi's. Wish I could say the same about the Evo which you can use the stolen engine in a regular Mirage, Lancer, Eclipse, Galant. You don't need stolen cars when almost every other vendor imports whole STi drivetrains from Japan To mod, it is as easy as the WRX as the parts(most of them) are interchanchable (header, up-pipe, down-pipe, most of the exhausts, intakes) The only part still not out but in testing as we speak is the piggyback ECU called Utec from TurboXS (www.turboxs.com) My other car (02 WRX) is close to stage 4 and at stage 4 you can keep up with an almost stock STi. When Moded, the STi is a true beast. Brakes are the same as the evo but the Subie has a bulletproof tranny, DCCD (driver controled center diferential) Now, if it's for comute, get the STi. If you are going to Auto-X or Solo-X two times or more a month, get the Evo (whigh is hader, stiffer ride for a commuter. And about the comment about getting an C32 and blowing the doors off a STi :p My car, still with stock turbo will beat M3's, C32's, beat an NST at top speed and even out with a new Carrera 4S. Once turbo is upgraded it's a whole new ball game. Don't get me wrong C32's and M3's are wonderfull cars but the bargain for the buck is with the STi/Evo. I would love a C32/M3 as a third car cuz Subaru is my first. Can't beat AWD!!! __________________ Leo W203 C320 Wagon - C7 wheels- Tele-Aid - Elegance - Schaetz exhaust tips - Bose system - CD Changer - Sun roof - Flat hood emblem

11-19-2003, 02:47 PM	#2
Kain Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 512 Drives: E39 M5...sold!	Get the 2004 BMW M3.

11-19-2003, 02:49 PM	#3
gab Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 450	You should sell the car and sell all the mods to me

11-19-2003, 03:07 PM	#5
Lynn MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,744	I got to make two runs at an autocross last Saturday in an Sti. The thing is absolutely amazing. You might want to test a Lancer Evo VIII, also. If I were making your choice, I would keep the coupe and buy either the Soobie or the Mitsu. Spend a few hundred on the Sti and it will make 300 hp at the wheels.

11-19-2003, 06:17 PM	#8
hammyoni Almost a Member! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 74 Drives: C32	This again, the STi is turning out to be a major pain to mod. Not as reliable as the older STi's.

11-20-2003, 08:46 AM	#9
Jon200 MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: MB - World Posts: 1,112	Keep the coupe and buy the STi, that way you have a comfy cruiser and a land rocket.....

11-20-2003, 06:04 PM	#11
moomeh Guest Garage is empty, add now Posts: n/a	this thread is worthless since it isn't a poll.

11-20-2003, 06:05 PM	#12
moomeh Guest Garage is empty, add now Posts: n/a	btw, i pick M3. get it before they make it ugly too.

11-20-2003, 09:35 PM	#14
Zonoz Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: McLean, VA Posts: 95 Drives: 2002 Black C230K	m3 anyday __________________ 2002 Black C 2-DIRTY: ASP Pulley, Black MB Logo Plate, MB License Plate Frames, Clear Corners and Debadged Bump In The Trunk: Alpine HU CD-9827// Alpine 12" Type-E Sub SWE-1241// Alpine MRP-F240 Amp// Alpine MRP-T220 Amp// Alpine SPS-171A 6.5" Speakers// 20gb Ipod// and Alpine KCA- 420i (Ipod Converter) ...Thanks Komp Soon/ Plan: Tints, K&N Filter AMG Sways, H&R COs and 05 lights

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11-21-2003, 01:56 AM	#17
ultraseven Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: san francisco Posts: 999 Drives: C32	Leonardo pretty much drove the point home IMHO. Various magazines across the globe (i.e. C & D, Road & Track, Best Car) stated that the Lan EVO is a better handler than the STi, which is most likely true given its lighter weight and more aggressive suspension setup. However, the US model actually is missing several components compared to its Japanese counterpart. The US Spec STi has a 2.5 liter engine mated to a 6 speed which gives it a decisive advantage over Lan EVO in a straight line. From my understanding, no one else gets the 2.5 liter engine but correct me if I am wrong. Price difference is about 2 grand.... STi would be my choice The M3? If you want better styling and the prestige of a German name.

11-21-2003, 06:45 AM	#22
Rick MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central NJ Posts: 1,474 Drives: C230K Coupe/Orion/C4/C5/CD/AMG Spoiler/V60/TeleAid, 2 MGB's	Why move down? That's like trading a Maserati for a Corvette... __________________ 2002 C230K Coupe - Orion/C4/C5/TeleAid/CD/AMG Spoiler/V60 Kit w/ Bluetooth Puck! 2 MGB Limited Editions for summer fun

11-21-2003, 08:02 AM	#23
hobie Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 218 Drives: '02 C230K	Check out an autox, like Lynn, the STIs are way cool. There were 2 new Evos (stock) at the last Autox , they both understeered excessively. Subi got the WRC driver champ this year. Never been an M3 fan, especially after the warranty expires. For 50k I'd go for a used SL. SL prices on the previous body, 2nd gen., are now in that range. At least drive an SL before you decide, at high speed it is fantastic. __________________ '02 C230K

11-21-2003, 09:56 AM	#24
Leonardo Almost a Member! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 37 Drives: W203 C320 Wagon	Ultraseven, you are correct, we are the only ones to get the 2.5t Forgot to mention, last weekend we had our road race (SCCA) and there were 3 M3's, 2 Evos, 1 Z06 Vette and 1 STi amongst others. The vette blew the engine and the victory overall went to the STi prepped for the race with only a weeks notice, riding on cheap Progress springs, Turbo back exhausr, and a fuel regulator. Then came the M3's, Porsches and the rest. Evos were out of the top 5. That should help ya decide! An STi with bolt-ons against better tuned cars. Rick, it's not stepping down if you keep the add MB and the STi as a second car:p As I've don with the WRX and the MB Leo __________________ Leo W203 C320 Wagon - C7 wheels- Tele-Aid - Elegance - Schaetz exhaust tips - Bose system - CD Changer - Sun roof - Flat hood emblem

11-21-2003, 10:44 AM	#25
Bobdole Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: COMPTON,CA Posts: 320 Drives: C32	I thank everybody for there replies,i went and drove,many cars in the last few days,but all in all it still comes down to the M3 and STI. The M3 is a gorgeous looking car with the stock 19's,and has a faboulous engine to boot,but i'd rather keep my Benz,and get an STI the car is a rocket,and i would have a coupe with an auto,and a small sedan with a manny AWD.Two entirley different cars for the price of the one M3. Does anyone know what are the simple mods for the STI?besides exuast,blow off values,and suspension,and replacing the turbo guys is out of the question,someone said u could spend a few hundred dollars and get 300 hp to the wheels,how is that as there r no chips with enough R&D.

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