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Can I trust this Indy Quote on my Transmission Issue?
So I have the CEL "P2767 transmission: limp home, speed sensor ring K1 error ."
This indy I have gone to for a few services and he seems trustable. He was telling me that he found out that the speed sensors are usually the key suspect of the transmission limp mode. All he needs to do is change the speed sensor from the electric plate because they tend to crack?
He quoted me $800 for the job(including labor). That's to remove the valve body, replace the (3?) sensors, flush the transmission fluid and refill. He's just going to reuse my transmission oil. I changed the transmission oil at 39,000 miles and it's at 55,600 miles at the moment.
Is that a reasonable price? He'll get the job done in 2 days.
The reason why I ask is because from a recent thread a member posted
"So decided to brought it to my trustable indy shop (go there few times, and always satisfied with the job - problems never recurring), tell the mechanic about the issue and what i think about it. And it was right, the speed sensor went bad, it was cracked (maybe due to an age - mine is 2001).
Replaced the whole plate, and flush the tranny oil, with total cost around $300 top. "
2006 C230 Sport - Current Miles 55666 miles
Last transmission oil change was around 39,XXX miles
My temporary fix was for the indy to reflash my transmission software to get it out of limp mode for $40-80. The car tend to get stuck in limp mode 1-2 times a year. It's either i pay $40-80 for a temporary fix or fix it permanently(hopefully) for $800.
Last edited by SkankZ; 10-27-2014 at 04:33 PM.
Reason: added information.
The plate itself is around $150. Sometimes it seems like people are under-reporting the cost of repairs unfortunately...
I wouldn't reuse the fluid though. If he just drops the pan, there is what, about 4qts he has to refill.
That's the thing, he's not replacing the plate itself or the valve body. He said he's just replacing the sensors which tend to crack.
He claims he fixed 7 of our cars with the same issue and none of them came back with the issue. Instead of replacing the valve body which is $1800+ , he'll just change the speed sensors. The job comes with a 6 month warranty and if the problem occurs again, i'll get refunded.
I just want to know the justification of the $800 to change sensors. I understand that working on transmission and taking out the valve body is a pain, I just don't want to be ripped off.
Sorry if the story is a bit confusing, I was going off the top of my head of what he said to me a hour ago. If anyone need clarification, I can ask him tomorrow when or IF i drop off the car.
I have a c32 but I did the conductor plate (as far as I know the speed sensor is part of this plate and cant be changed by itself) the lock up solenoid, filter, gasket, plug (for harness) and the fluid for $500.
I have a c32 but I did the conductor plate (as far as I know the speed sensor is part of this plate and cant be changed by itself) the lock up solenoid, filter, gasket, plug (for harness) and the fluid for $500.
Did you do it yourself? Even Indys don't charge that cheap!
Did you do it yourself? Even Indys don't charge that cheap!
Right? I just called around 2 local shops and they quoted around $1300 for the conductor plate change.
I'm just going to go with the $800 sensor change even though some say you can't change the sensors off the conductor plate.
He gives a 6 month warranty so I'll try to drive it a lot and see if the problem occurs.
My car went into limp mode if I didn't warm up my car long enough or I accelerated too quickly. It would get either get stuck in gear or jerk and down shift and then get stuck in gear.
True, but from my understanding of what he told me is from the past 7 cars he worked on. He found out that only the sensors were the problem because they cracked. Before he would just replace the conductor plate/valve body but after working on a few, he concluded the sensors were the main culprit.
If the sensors doesn't fix the problem, the whole service would be free.
My indy shop do same things when my speed sensor cracked and causing limp,
Replace the whole plate, flush the fluid, and replace tranny filter
Total cost was around $300-350 if i convert it to today currency of US $, and trust me, that's include the labour...
Anyway, the sensor itself is attached to the plate AFAIK, (this is if we are talking about speed sensor not the removeable solenoids)
Check this picture : http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/w210-e-class/263946d1254621751-photo-diy-722-6-conductor-plate-22.jpg
It clearly showed how the sensor attached to the plate (two circular things-one black-one silver), in my case, the black one cracked.
New Plate cost around $150-200, so i would prefer a whole new plate..
Not to mention the revised version of the plate has a better design in how the sensor attached to it,
The old design (used in my 2001 - c240) is indeed looks fragile...
EDIT : i just saw that you actually quote my post from another thread in the main post about the plate replacement, hahaha
Haha yeah. I was out of the MB scene for a while and was living with the problem. The thing is with yours is that it's 722.5 and mines is 722.9. At a time, there was only a conductor plate for your model.
I'll try to keep this updated, should be done by tomorrow. He guarantee that it would fix it 100%. He would also top off my transmission fluid if any is lost.
Total cost was around $300-350 if i convert it to today currency of US $, and trust me, that's include the labour...
New Plate cost around $150-200
Let's take $170 for the plate. $80 for 4-5qt Shell trans fluid. $20 for the filter kit.
Total 270. You are basically saying that your indy only charged you about $30-$80 for labor? Does he charge $30 per hour then?
We also need to keep in mind that most indys don't like people bringing their own parts because they lose part of the profit that way.
That said, I paid $300 just for a tranny flush with 4qts two years ago. I think the fluid was Fuchs.
Haha yeah. I was out of the MB scene for a while and was living with the problem. The thing is with yours is that it's 722.5 and mines is 722.9. At a time, there was only a conductor plate for your model.
I'll try to keep this updated, should be done by tomorrow. He guarantee that it would fix it 100%. He would also top off my transmission fluid if any is lost.
Ah, so thats the difference, yours is 722.9, and mine is 722.6, the part might be pretty different as well...
so i guess the price difference would also considered normal...
Originally Posted by VVF
Let's take $170 for the plate. $80 for 4-5qt Shell trans fluid. $20 for the filter kit.
Total 270. You are basically saying that your indy only charged you about $30-$80 for labor? Does he charge $30 per hour then?
We also need to keep in mind that most indys don't like people bringing their own parts because they lose part of the profit that way.
That said, I paid $300 just for a tranny flush with 4qts two years ago. I think the fluid was Fuchs.
I'm not sure how he actually charge for labor,
but maybe the mechanism & labor pricing are slightly different over here in my country, hahaha. I guess the main profit over here is from the part price...
what i can say is, it tooks 3-4 Hours for him to take down the valve body, replacing plate, put back everything and fillin up the fluid... + extra 1 or 2 hours in the beginning, waiting for the car temp to cool down. (he got habbit of refusing to do a job on a "still hot" car - which is a good habbit i think)
am using benz fluid anyway, it's around $15-16/L here for the 722.6 tranny specs..
i think imight still keep the bill, gonna check it later and see what he listed in details there,
That's the thing, he's not replacing the plate itself or the valve body. He said he's just replacing the sensors which tend to crack.
He claims he fixed 7 of our cars with the same issue and none of them came back with the issue. Instead of replacing the valve body which is $1800+ , he'll just change the speed sensors. The job comes with a 6 month warranty and if the problem occurs again, i'll get refunded.
I just want to know the justification of the $800 to change sensors. I understand that working on transmission and taking out the valve body is a pain, I just don't want to be ripped off.
Sorry if the story is a bit confusing, I was going off the top of my head of what he said to me a hour ago. If anyone need clarification, I can ask him tomorrow when or IF i drop off the car.
There's no replacement sensors. Like others have said, they are integrated in the conductor plate. The only replaceable parts in the valve body separate from the plate and valve body are the shift solenoids.
You'll be getting a new conductor plate.
I think $800 parts and labor will less than your local dealer, but still too expensive. Hopefully he has the equipment to properly fill the 722.9 afterwards.
Service/Labor = Rp 400.000 /$33
STAR Diag & Code Reset = Rp 150.000 /$12.5
Now that's what I call competitive pricing
Basically a couple bucks above the US minimum wage.
This 327 would translate to about 650-700 here in the states easily.
So 800 is not that far. I guess depends on whether the indy replaces the sensors w/o taking out the plate as he claims to.
Now that's what I call competitive pricing
Basically a couple bucks above the US minimum wage.
This 327 would translate to about 650-700 here in the states easily.
So 800 is not that far. I guess depends on whether the indy replaces the sensors w/o taking out the plate as he claims to.
The car now switches gears very smooth and there's not the slightly jerk when it switches gears. I'll report back in a couple months to update how the car runs.
The indy showed me the picture of the valve body, (here's a pic off google)
Basically there 3 sensors where #1,2,3 are labelled. #1 and #2 are usually the sensor that causes the limp/transmission issues. #2 sensor is just there if car is not a AMG model, it does not use it. These sensors crack easily due to the temperature from the transmission. The updated sensors that they created are more durable, so the indy replaced the sensor with the new sensor instead of just putting #2 sensor in #1.
The car now switches gears very smooth and there's not the slightly jerk when it switches gears. I'll report back in a couple months to update how the car runs.
Thanks for all the replies guys.
To be 100% clear to future forum searchers, the above is the conductor plate attached to the valve body, and those sensors 1,2,3 are NOT replaceable. So don't kill yourself searching. The entire conductor plate is needed, regardless of how this independent explained it. The sensors are not even what fails, it's the Siemens VDO control unit, #4 which is also integrated. That control unit fails internally and causes the shift issues and speed sensor fault codes.
To be 100% clear to future forum searchers, the above is the conductor plate attached to the valve body, and those sensors 1,2,3 are NOT replaceable. So don't kill yourself searching. The entire conductor plate is needed, regardless of how this independent explained it. The sensors are not even what fails, it's the Siemens VDO control unit, #4 which is also integrated. That control unit fails internally and causes the shift issues and speed sensor fault codes.
darn that guy! but seriously, here's to the next 6 months of hopefully no transmission issues. if the problem is still there i'm sure it'll show up within 6 months. I lived with the issue for 3 years or so.
i honestly had no choice since he was the closest mechanic near me. i couldn't try to argue with a mechanic against what he was preaching whereas i don't know. if only you chimed in sooner. thanks for the info!
10-27-2014, 03:48 PM
