GIOVANNISELL

I have a 2007 C230, 130,000 miles, VIN: WDBRF52H87E025553. Love the car but it has been sitting for 8 months(of course I have drove it only to keep engine going), dead plates, good condition. Here is my issue that I was given from a foreign car place:

-P0016
-P0017
-P0422
-P0128
-Cam Timing Crank was at 305 degrees left bank in time right bank out of time.

This is a personal owned-well known Foreign Car mechanic place....told me to get my big wallet for $4,600

I called Mercedes yesterday and they said that P0016 doesnt turn the "engine light" on and that it might be that I may not even need a Camshaft. So then I asked "So you mean that it may not even be the Camshaft(P0016) that needs repair? They replied with "just bring it in"

I bougth this car USED off a Kia dealership in 2009...Someone told me to see if maybe it was covered under a warranty at the Kia Dealership.

Ya'll think the Mercedes Goodwill deal will cover for this?

PLEASE HELP

samaritrey

Goodwill deal? what are you talking about the lawsuit settlement or just Mercedes goodwilling it for you? Since you bought it used from a kia dealer and probably don't have a relationship with the MB dealer unless it is a recall or something they won't help you out its a used car out of warranty. As for the Kia dealer having a warranty if you bought it in 09 I doubt it has anything on it still but you will have to figure that one out.
Check this out (yeah its a long read lol)
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-bank-1-a.html

GIOVANNISELL

So does it look like I may be paying $4,000 minimum....

The car sounds fine to "me'. A mechanic might hear something I do not. Though it does feel like the pick up power is not there the way it use to be

samaritrey

I would get a second opinion with a shop that works on lots of newer Mercedes or a dealer. Thats always my advice though on expensive repairs. As for your issue

Since your in the USA sign up for EPC (epc.startekinfo.com/epc/) its free and check your engine number to see if it falls in the balance shaft range (it probably will you can find the range on here) If your car falls in the range it doesn't mean it will fail but means it could.

P0128 is thermostat
P0422 is for catalytic converter

So if you read the thread you know that the 16 and 17 codes are the ones to be very concerned about so I wouldn't really drive the car until you get it straightened out since you already have evidence that timing is off. Two things I would do if you are a DIY type person first is clear all codes and see what comes back but as i said don't really drive car as it it could jump timing. Second thing I would do is look for evidence of sprocket teeth or other metal in the oil pan.

pcy

watch this...

GIOVANNISELL

And that should make everything better as far as P0016 and P0017 goes? Should it take the CEL off?

samaritrey

? Are you talking about the video posted? That is just to check to confirm you have an issue. If you do its a 4-6k job to fix depending on the shop unless that lawsuit gets settled soon.

GIOVANNISELL

What Lawsuit?

samaritrey

If you Google m272 class action you should find what you need but I don't think you will qualify if I remember the mileage limitation was 125k but I don't think the case is fully over so maybe it will change. Either way just get a second opinion and get it fixed as if you do qualify you will get reimbursed (just make sure that you get two invoices one for the balance shaft issue and one for the other stuff. The dealer may help out by taking 10% off as that is what they commonly do to help out.

GIOVANNISELL

I Googled that M272 class action/lawsuit and I found a guys name and number who took Mercedes to court in 2011 for defective gears in the Balance Shaft (in the event of the M272 engines) or with defective idle gears (in the case of the M273 engines). These defective gears wear out prematurely, excessively, and without warning, causing the vehicle to malfunction, the "check engine light" to remain illuminated, and the vehicle to misfire and/or stop driving. The only recourse is to have the balance shaft or idle gear replaced, which is a large scale repair job, taking numerous days and costing several thousand dollars.

Hopefully his phone number is still good.

GIOVANNISELL

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://...90NVstJgjTDBLQ

wow!
Is this great news?
Does this mean I can take my Mercedes to my local dealership and show them the evidence of the lawsuit in order to process my vehicle for repair?

Do I have to wait for the notification?
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Its funny how I called Mercedes on Monday and they did not mention this approval what so ever.

samaritrey

Calling the lawyer isn't going to do you any good.
Check your link it's not going to work and as I said read the terms because when I read them last the cut off was 125k and you are at 130k.

GIOVANNISELL

or 10 years

GIOVANNISELL

I called MBUSA and specifically spoke about this settlement. First I talked to the general operator slash secretary where she for some reason froze and did not know what to do. I then asked to talk to her supervisor and he said he had never heard of such settlement and that he did not know what I was talking about.

I then asked politely if I could talk to the person(s) that new what I was talking about and he said, that would be the legal team, but I would only be able to reach them in writting.

Am I wrong for finding this funny that MBUSA is not aware of the settlement and that I cannot talk to anyone from the legal team by phone in regards to this settlement?

samaritrey

Does it say 10 years read the next sentence it says whichever comes first.
As i said I don't think the settlement has been completed yet of course they don't know yet.
Just get your car fixed and wait to see what happens.

GIOVANNISELL

A California federal judge has granted preliminary approval of a class action settlement to resolve defective engine allegations against Mercedes-Benz U.S.A., LLC.

U.S. District Judge Thelton E. Henderson said in his Wednesday ruling that “the terms of the settlement agreement are sufficiently fair, reasonable, and adequate to allow dissemination of the notice.”

The Mercedes class action settlement is for “all current and former owners and lesses of Mercedes-Benz branded automobiles equipped with M272 or M273 engines bearing serial numbers up to 2729..30 468993 or 2739 ..30088611, found in the Subject 2005 – 2007 Model Year Vehicles respectively (the ‘Subject Vehicles’), who purchased or leased their Subject Vehicles within the United States.”

The class representatives are plaintiffs Majeed Seifi, Tracey Deakin and Ronald Reyner, Judge Henderson said.

However, he said that the class action settlement agreement is not an admission of fault by Mercedes that and of the allegations are true and valid and ought “not be offered or be admissible in evidence by or against [Mercedes].”

Class Members will be notified of the class action settlement agreement through relevant vehicle registration information, which the federal judge gives the parties permission to obtain “for the purpose of disseminating notice of the proposed settlement.”

If someone wants to be excluded from this Mercedes class action settlement, they will need to “submit a written request for exclusion.”

“Anyone who falls within the Settlement Class definition and does not submit a Request for Exclusion in complete accordance with the deadlines and other specifications set forth in this Order and the Settlement Agreement shall remain a Settlement Class Member and shall be bound by all proceedings, orders, and judgments of this Court pertaining to the Settlement Class,” Judge Henderson explains.

Mercedes agreed to the defective engine class action settlement on March 23.

The first defective engine class action lawsuit filed against the German automaker was in 2010 in a New Jersey federal court over the allegedly defective M272 or M273 engines, in which it was alleged that “the engines are equipped with defective gears in their balance shafts (in the event of the M272 engines) or with defective idle gears (in the case of the M273 engines).

“These defective gears wear out prematurely, excessively, and without warning, causing the vehicle to malfunction, the ‘check engine light’ to remain illuminated, and the vehicle to misfire and/or stop driving,” the Mercedes class action lawsuit alleged.

This current Mercedes class action lawsuit brought by Seifi and Deakin in October 2012 making similar allegations about the M272 and M273 engines.

According to the class action settlement agreement, Class Members will be reimbursed for repairs they had to fund to the tune of thousands of dollars due to the alleged engine defect as well as “future repairs for the allegedly defective parts at issue for the lesser of 10 years or 125,000 miles, subject to certain conditions and limitations.

“This extended coverage more than doubles the durational limit of MBUSA’s New Vehicle Warranty’s term of the lesser 4 years of 50,000 miles,” the class action settlement agreement explained.

The amount Class Members will receive will vary. Repairs not done at an authorized Mercedes dealer will result in a reimbursement up to $4,000. Mercedes will also cover the cost to repair future engine problems, which will also vary depending on the age of the car when the problems come to fruition. The reimbursement will be 100 percent, 70 percent or 37.5 percent of the cost of the repair.

samaritrey

Yep so lesser of 10 years or 125,000 mile. And trust me MB won't budge on that (read about sbc brakes)
Just find yourself two or three shops and get estimates for repairs.

GIOVANNISELL

I am not understanding how Mercedes is not aware of this settlement. Arent there MBZ Reps at the court hearing?

samaritrey

As i said the case does not look to be fully settled yet so why would some call center person be told anything about a case that is not settled? Of course the legal team at MB and some other very high up people would know whats going on but not some low level person who wouldn't understand half of the legal stuff being said anyway. You are out of luck anyway according to the posting so why does it matter anyway?