Bi-X: W203/CL203 OEM Bi-XENON Upgrade, Auto-Levelling & Programming thread - Page 4

Lynn · 10-14-2002, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gab
is it available as an option to order?

has anyone checked whether it will fit 2002 cars?

has anyone checked if we can organise a group buy?

Yes it is available to order.

It will fit 2002 cars, but the 2002 cars do not have the proper wiring harness to make the auto-leveling system work. Some members have already installed them on their sedans. Do a search.

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young · 10-14-2002, 04:12 PM

afaik, no one w/ a coupe has done a retrofit of the bi-xenons.

Mach430 · 10-14-2002, 06:27 PM

Has anyone converted their halogen headlights to the new Bi-Xenons? What wiring harnesses/ballasts are necessary?

Thanks

Harris · 10-14-2002, 08:41 PM

I think if you take out the whole Halogen assembly and replaced with the bi-xenon assembly, its just a plug and play job. The only thing that will happen is there'll be an error message because the computer did not program with xenon when it rolled out of factory. You have to get a service tech & reset the computer to "xenon present". One more thing....the auto leveling will not work.

zhaoyi · 10-14-2002, 09:11 PM

Mach430

u got the new BI-XENON for c-coupe?

Mach430 · 10-14-2002, 09:56 PM

I'm looking into both the coupe and sedan right now. I do not think it will be as easy as plug and play. Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't be difficult either. But from my experience with BMW's, you need to upgrade the ballasts and have the proper wiring harnesses in order to do so.

Harris · 10-14-2002, 10:42 PM

Mike "bagwell" has done it. According to him, its a plug and play job. Maybe you can send him a PM or e-mail.

I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.

bajaiman · 10-14-2002, 10:59 PM

Its as simple as plug and play.....but I can't adjust the headlight from inside the car anymore.....don't think this will effect US owners as you don't have the ability to adjust the headlight from inside the car in the first place.

yukpo · 10-15-2002, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harris
Mike "bagwell" has done it. According to him, its a plug and play job. Maybe you can send him a PM or e-mail.

I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.

Harris,
Since you upgraded from regular xenon to bi-xenon, is self leveling feature still works fine?
Thanks.

Lynn · 10-15-2002, 01:25 AM

Ben, the auto-leveling won't work because the cars w/o bi-xenons or xenon as standard equipment don't have the proper wiring harness. If you are thinking of installing them at Evosport, check the Fed and state laws. I remember reading in the DOT regs that it is illegal for anyone but the factory to instal HID's.

Harris · 10-15-2002, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yukpo
Harris,
Since you upgraded from regular xenon to bi-xenon, is self leveling feature still works fine?
Thanks.

Yup!

rrf · 10-15-2002, 03:13 AM

Both Xenon and B-Xenon use an automatic self-leveling system, I am sure it is the same hardware and harness.

To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated.

If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat.

You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it?

Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?

MBenzNL · 10-15-2002, 03:48 AM

I took the liberty of taking apart 3 203 bi xenon headlights last saturday since these had either broken housings or broken reflectors and I am making undamaged lights out of the broken ones.
I took several pictures that can be found on the following pages:

page 1 with 203 Bi Xenon pics
page 2 with 203 Bi Xenon pics

As you can see on the pictures, the reflectors are attached to the housing with 3 balljoint connections; THESE CONNECTIONS MAY GET LOOSE IN TRANSIT due to dropping/throwing of the box.

I mailed with bagwell abou this and he thinks this is his problem as well. I mailed with yukpo and this was also exactly what his problem was and he solved it.

xraverone, please have a look at the pictures and see if your problem is caused by loose balljoints as well...if so: it is easy to repair.

box996 had a piece broken out of 1 reflector that was caused by throwing/dropping the box for sure...I think I found the solution how to prevent that from future shipped lights. He shipped back his broken light and will be getting a replacement light from me.

Most of the loose reflector problems probably are caused by loose balljoints...that is how most lights (all models) from the MB dealership come as well (when ordered as replacement lights).

The lights I had are all rejected headlights due to damaged housings, scratched lenses, damaged connectors, loose balljoints, whatever else there is wrong with the lights.

greetingz,

gab · 10-15-2002, 05:45 AM

can you get bi-xenon for the coupe?

Lynn · 10-15-2002, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rrf
Both Xenon and B-Xenon use an automatic self-leveling system, I am sure it is the same hardware and harness.

To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated.

If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat.

You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it?

Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?

I am saying that the the potential penalties to a business which install HID's will be much larger than the penalties to consumer who does so, assuming that what I think I read in the DOT regulations is correct. It would be cheaper for Evosport to consult an attorney before installing HID's in a customers car than the pay the fine afterward, if it is actually illegal for a business to install HID's.

TimmyC230boy · 10-15-2002, 10:37 AM

what about a body shop, that has to install HID's to repair a customers car, is that illegal?

Lynn · 10-15-2002, 11:42 AM

If the car was originally equipped with HID's, the answer would be it is not illegal. If they are doing an aftermarket installation, the answer is it is illegal.

I have been searching all morning for the reg, and I can't find it.

bagwell · 10-16-2002, 10:21 AM

in my sedan, I replaced the halogen with the bi-xenon...it is plug and play....just have to have to computer set to XENON present.

they'll still work without the reset...just have to turn the lites on 10 secs before the ignition

RJamesC240 · 10-16-2002, 05:02 PM

Hey, just wondered what you think about a desert silver (beige) C240 with the Bi-xenons. I really liked how they look on a silver sedan, but not sure if it will be too sporty/aggressive on mine. I plan on keeping it stock all the way, other than maybe getting the wood steering wheel eventually. So what do you think?

MB-BOB · 10-16-2002, 05:22 PM

There's no rule that says only the Silver cars can have fun...

todd · 10-16-2002, 06:41 PM

Anyone have any real life experience with the bi-xenons?

I am curious at how quickly the high beams illuminate when using the flash to pass feature as compared to hallogens.

I use that alot ;-)

MBenzNL · 10-16-2002, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by todd
I am curious at how quickly the high beams illuminate when using the flash to pass feature as compared to hallogens.

High beam is just the simple regukar Halogen bulb in the inner circle of the headlight...Bi Xenon means that the headlight has a reflecting plate that gets switched over when changing from low beam to high beam and back...it just redirects the beam pattern of the low beam Xenon bulb a bit.

It does not have 2 Xenon bulbs, but has 1 Halogen high beam bulb and switching reflecting plate at the 1 and only low beam Xenon bulb.

greetingz,

todd · 10-16-2002, 07:05 PM

Thanks allot!

Cleared up my confusion very well.

Regards,

Todd

amdeutsch · 10-16-2002, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MBenzNL
High beam is just the simple regukar Halogen bulb in the inner circle of the headlight...Bi Xenon means that the headlight has a reflecting plate that gets switched over when changing from low beam to high beam and back...it just redirects the beam pattern of the low beam Xenon bulb a bit.

It does not have 2 Xenon bulbs, but has 1 Halogen high beam bulb and switching reflecting plate at the 1 and only low beam Xenon bulb.

greetingz,

Ok, now I'm totally confused. Somebody please explain to me what Mb was taking about with Xenon last year if this is a Bi-Xenon.

gab · 10-16-2002, 07:49 PM

I am thinking about organising a group buy for the original mercedes Bi-Xenon headlight assembly as I think many people will be interested.

However we should first get a part number and try to see which MB dealers or parts store (Autoclass, bekkers) will be interested in this buy

10-14-2002, 04:12 PM	#77
young MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Earth Posts: 3,600 Drives: C-Sportcoupe; 230K	afaik, no one w/ a coupe has done a retrofit of the bi-xenons. __________________ <font face="arial narrow" size=2>Y O U N G </font>

10-14-2002, 06:27 PM	#78
Mach430 Out Of Control!! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 35,856	Bi-Xenon Installation Has anyone converted their halogen headlights to the new Bi-Xenons? What wiring harnesses/ballasts are necessary? Thanks

10-14-2002, 08:41 PM	#79
Harris MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,439	I think if you take out the whole Halogen assembly and replaced with the bi-xenon assembly, its just a plug and play job. The only thing that will happen is there'll be an error message because the computer did not program with xenon when it rolled out of factory. You have to get a service tech & reset the computer to "xenon present". One more thing....the auto leveling will not work. Last edited by Harris; 10-14-2002 at 08:45 PM.

10-14-2002, 09:11 PM	#80
zhaoyi Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 173 Drives: C230K	Mach430 u got the new BI-XENON for c-coupe? __________________ C230K

10-14-2002, 10:59 PM	#83
bajaiman Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 470 Drives: 01 C200 Kompressor, 02 C32 AMG	Its as simple as plug and play.....but I can't adjust the headlight from inside the car anymore.....don't think this will effect US owners as you don't have the ability to adjust the headlight from inside the car in the first place. __________________ W203 (M111) C200K Sedan -- <font size="1"> Kleemann Ring Pulley, H&R Coilovers, C32 Front Brakes, SS Braided Lines, C32 Swaybar, Remus Exhaust, BMC Filter,  Bi-Xenons, Comand, CD Changer, Upgraded ICE, C32 Front Bumper, 18" </font>

10-14-2002, 09:56 PM	#81
Mach430 Out Of Control!! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 35,856	I'm looking into both the coupe and sedan right now. I do not think it will be as easy as plug and play. Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't be difficult either. But from my experience with BMW's, you need to upgrade the ballasts and have the proper wiring harnesses in order to do so.

10-14-2002, 10:42 PM	#82
Harris MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,439	Mike "bagwell" has done it. According to him, its a plug and play job. Maybe you can send him a PM or e-mail. I changed mine from regular Xenon to bi-xenon, its also a plug and play for me.

10-15-2002, 01:25 AM	#85
Lynn MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,744	Ben, the auto-leveling won't work because the cars w/o bi-xenons or xenon as standard equipment don't have the proper wiring harness. If you are thinking of installing them at Evosport, check the Fed and state laws. I remember reading in the DOT regs that it is illegal for anyone but the factory to instal HID's. Last edited by Lynn; 10-15-2002 at 10:19 AM.

10-15-2002, 03:13 AM	#87
rrf Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 712	Both Xenon and Bi-Xenon Both Xenon and B-Xenon use an automatic self-leveling system, I am sure it is the same hardware and harness. To uncloud the mystery, it is basically a potentiometer attached to the front sway bar, and one attached to the rear frame that measures the cars "squat" forward and rear. There is no reason that this same OEM stuff couldn't be added, it certainly isn't complicated. If I was going from Halogen to either Xenon model, I might check the price of the MBZ harness, if it was more than $100, I would either just set them manually (kind of like every other car on the road), or if I wanted to tweak it, I would make a dial that worked from the drivers seat. You might say that the self-leveling is a nice feature, but when it comes to value, how much would one pay for it? Lynn are you saying that it is not a good idea for a "business" such as EvoSport to be in the business of installing HID's, but it is fine for Mach430?

10-15-2002, 03:48 AM	#88
MBenzNL Former Vendor of MBWorld Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: global traveller Posts: 4,011 Drives: some slow@$$diesels	I took the liberty of taking apart 3 203 bi xenon headlights last saturday since these had either broken housings or broken reflectors and I am making undamaged lights out of the broken ones. I took several pictures that can be found on the following pages: page 1 with 203 Bi Xenon pics page 2 with 203 Bi Xenon pics As you can see on the pictures, the reflectors are attached to the housing with 3 balljoint connections; THESE CONNECTIONS MAY GET LOOSE IN TRANSIT due to dropping/throwing of the box. I mailed with bagwell abou this and he thinks this is his problem as well. I mailed with yukpo and this was also exactly what his problem was and he solved it. xraverone, please have a look at the pictures and see if your problem is caused by loose balljoints as well...if so: it is easy to repair. box996 had a piece broken out of 1 reflector that was caused by throwing/dropping the box for sure...I think I found the solution how to prevent that from future shipped lights. He shipped back his broken light and will be getting a replacement light from me. Most of the loose reflector problems probably are caused by loose balljoints...that is how most lights (all models) from the MB dealership come as well (when ordered as replacement lights). The lights I had are all rejected headlights due to damaged housings, scratched lenses, damaged connectors, loose balljoints, whatever else there is wrong with the lights. greetingz, Last edited by MBenzNL; 10-15-2002 at 05:54 AM.

10-15-2002, 05:45 AM	#89
gab Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 450	can you get bi-xenon for the coupe?

10-15-2002, 10:37 AM	#91
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10-15-2002, 11:42 AM	#92
Lynn MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,744	If the car was originally equipped with HID's, the answer would be it is not illegal. If they are doing an aftermarket installation, the answer is it is illegal. I have been searching all morning for the reg, and I can't find it.

10-16-2002, 10:21 AM	#93
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10-16-2002, 05:02 PM	#94
RJamesC240 Almost a Member! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 72 Drives: 2002 Mercedes C240 Desert Silver Java Interior	Bi-Xenon on Desert Silver Sedan? Hey, just wondered what you think about a desert silver (beige) C240 with the Bi-xenons. I really liked how they look on a silver sedan, but not sure if it will be too sporty/aggressive on mine. I plan on keeping it stock all the way, other than maybe getting the wood steering wheel eventually. So what do you think?

10-16-2002, 05:22 PM	#95
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10-16-2002, 06:41 PM	#96
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10-16-2002, 07:05 PM	#98
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10-16-2002, 07:49 PM	#100
gab Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 450	Group Buy for Mercedes W203 OEM Bi-Xenon Coupes and Sedan I am thinking about organising a group buy for the original mercedes Bi-Xenon headlight assembly as I think many people will be interested. However we should first get a part number and try to see which MB dealers or parts store (Autoclass, bekkers) will be interested in this buy

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