C250 Oil Change? - MBWorld.org Forums



C-Class (W204) 2008-Present: C180K, C200K, C230, C280, C300, C350, C200CDI, C220CDI, C320CDI

Sponsored by : MB Parts Factory
Click Here

     
Old 06-10-2015, 03:55 PM
How-Tos on this Topic
 
Last edit by: IB Advertising
See related guides and technical advice from our community experts:

Browse all: Engine Guides
Print Wikipost

C250 Oil Change?

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread
Old 07-13-2012, 12:14 PM   #1
MBWorld Fanatic!
Thread Starter
 
MDMercedesGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germantown, MD
Posts: 1,192
Drives: 2012 C250 Sport Sedan
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post
C250 Oil Change?

Has anyone on here done an oil change on their C250 yet?

I'm coming up on 4,000 miles - and that's about all I want to put on it with the factory fill. I haven't had much of a chance to poke around under the hood/haven't had a chance to get my car up on ramps yet and roll under it to take a look.

I presume it has a cartridge filter? Any gotchas with this particular setup?

My WIS account expired so I can't go digging through there to look.
MDMercedesGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2012, 01:09 PM   #2
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
papashango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 1,313
Drives: '14 RR Sport Autobiography, '13 MB GLK 350, '13 MB E350 Conv, '11 RR Sport Autobiography, '12 BMWX5M
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
When I got my car the instrument cluster showed next service due in 12,500 KM's. Now I am down to 2,900 to go.

That service includes oil change. What I am getting at is, seems like perhaps you're jumping the gun and wanting to do the change too early?
papashango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2012, 01:48 PM   #3
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 6,507
Drives: 2014 C350 Sport Sedan & 2015 Kia Optima Hybrid EX
Thanks: 0
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Definitely too early. There was some analysis by Edmunds.com that showed factory fill was designed to be utilized through the first required change.
LILBENZ230 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2012, 05:07 PM   #4
MBWorld Fanatic!
Thread Starter
 
MDMercedesGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germantown, MD
Posts: 1,192
Drives: 2012 C250 Sport Sedan
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post
Eh, I'm gonna go with my gut and what I usually do. I change at every 4,500 regardless of what the car says.

It's rather dirty and smells strongly, and I want it out of there.
MDMercedesGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2012, 10:26 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
2012c350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 340
Drives: 2012 C350 / 2001 F150 4x4 / 1998 Cobra Convertible
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDMercedesGuy View Post
Eh, I'm gonna go with my gut and what I usually do. I change at every 4,500 regardless of what the car says.

It's rather dirty and smells strongly, and I want it out of there.
I'll agree at least to a certain extent. From what I've read, although you'll find a Mobil1 sticker under the hood, MB puts a different oil in the cars from the factory...supposedly for break-in reasons.

So to those that think you should stick with the original MB fluid before the first scheduled oil change I'll argue that if you do so because of the "break-in" oil then change the oil with the same break-in oil. But if people argue that you shouldn't change the oil at all (during break-in) regardless of what oil you use, then I'll argue that those people are stupid, plain and simple. I've inspected hundreds of oil filters on new/used cars and if you saw the metal shavings in the filter and actually believe that it's a good idea to leave these shavings in your crankcase then you know nothing about the purpose of lubrication..

For me...I'll be replacing my oil next week (at 3K miles) and every 5K miles. Worst damage is a few extra $$$ (but I'll save more than that being that I do it myself). Best case is that my engine doesn't have metal filings to deal with.
2012c350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2012, 10:50 PM   #6
Super Member
 
Domm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 592
Drives: '08 Mercedes C300
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDMercedesGuy View Post
Eh, I'm gonna go with my gut and what I usually do. I change at every 4,500 regardless of what the car says.

It's rather dirty and smells strongly, and I want it out of there.
you should check out the Acura forum. They have a new system called the iMid which determines the life of your oil using complex algorithms and everyone swears by it. I have no doubt that it functions well and Acura has spent a lot of money on it, but waiting till the oil has 0% life seems risky to me.

I was asking about the break in period of my girlfriend's parent's new RDX and all I got was "follow the MID; it's expensive and works".

Anyways, what I'm saying is that usually the factory fill and their additives are for the break in period, which is the first 1,000 miles or so. It won't hurt your engine to change the oil after that and you are wasting money (by not using the oil till it's life is over), but I wouldn't let it get close to the end of it's useful life either
Domm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 04:32 AM   #7
J__
Senior Member
 
J__'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 296
Drives: 2012 C200 CGI
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
ditch factory/mobil 1 oil, go with Royal Purple. Best you can get aside from going with race oils. The stuff is amazing! Made the move from Mobil 1 on my track car + suv a few years ago. Try it and you wont regret.

As for oil change frequency, yes we all know the factory suggests 10k per oil change, but do you really want to wait that long? Remember dealerships make money off servicing the car, not from the sale of a new vehicle. The faster it breaks down, the more money they'll make. If they could, they'd tell you to never change your oil and when your engine seizes, they'll tell you to pay for a new engine. I've had mechanic friends that worked in MB/BMW dealerships and hear tons of stories of neglect from senior certified technicians when servicing peoples cars. Changing oil without changing the filter? happens way more than you think.

My advice, find a reputable independent MB mechanic for non warranty services. Not only will it be much cheaper, but they will take better care of your car.
J__ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 12:26 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
2012c350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 340
Drives: 2012 C350 / 2001 F150 4x4 / 1998 Cobra Convertible
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
MB-Approved Synthetic Engine Oil MB Sheet
Mobil 1 Formula 0W-40 229.5
Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40 229.5
Castrol Syntec European Formula 0W-30* 229.5
Pennzoil European Formula Ultra 5W-30* 229.5
Quaker State European Formula Ultra 5W-30* 229.5
ELF Excellium 229.5 5W-30* 229.5
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40*1 (Diesel only) 229.51
Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30*1 (Diesel only) 229.51
ELF Solaris LSX 5W-30*1 (Diesel only) 229.51

229.5 or 229.511 engine oils must be
used in conjunction with fleece oil filter
( page 14) in vehicles with Mercedes-
Benz Maintenance System (as of
MY2005). Using other oil filters may lead
to engine damage which is not covered
by the Mercedes-Benz Limited Warranty.

Quote:
Originally Posted by J__ View Post
ditch factory/mobil 1 oil, go with Royal Purple. Best you can get aside from going with race oils. The stuff is amazing! Made the move from Mobil 1 on my track car + suv a few years ago. Try it and you wont regret.
2012c350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:04 PM   #9
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
papashango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 1,313
Drives: '14 RR Sport Autobiography, '13 MB GLK 350, '13 MB E350 Conv, '11 RR Sport Autobiography, '12 BMWX5M
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
How many litres of oil does this car take? Also, can you post a link of what a decent oil filter is for these cars?

I am not planning to take it to the dealer as they quoted me $250 for just an oil change which seems absolutely ridiculous. So I want to buy my own oil/filter and take it to some shop and get it changed.

Thanks
papashango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:13 PM   #10
Member
 
Cocoout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 81
Drives: 2010 Dec S204 CGI-T AMG Edition
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mobile 1 nowadays the quality is bad, after 2000 km runs ....forget it ...
Cocoout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:18 PM   #11
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Sportstick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Southeast Michigan
Posts: 4,976
Drives: 2015 228i
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocoout View Post
Mobile 1 nowadays the quality is bad, after 2000 km runs ....forget it ...
Based on what objective data, please?
Sportstick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:38 PM   #12
J__
Senior Member
 
J__'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 296
Drives: 2012 C200 CGI
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
no objective data, but from personal experience (sorta) friend's miata been running mobil 1 for as long as he's had it. We took it apart to change the cam and was the typical 10+ year engine look, dark brown. Switched to Royal Purple after it and long story short, after ~1500kms, we took the engine apart again and it was like brand new... car ran much much quieter after a few hundred kms

Last edited by J__; 07-14-2012 at 01:57 PM.
J__ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:46 PM   #13
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Sportstick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Southeast Michigan
Posts: 4,976
Drives: 2015 228i
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by J__ View Post
no objective data, but from personal experience (sorta) friend's miata been running mobil 1 for as long as he's had it. We took it apart to change the cam and was the typical 10+ year engine look, dark brown. Switched to mobile one after it and long story short, after ~1500kms, we took the engine apart again and it was like brand new... car ran much much quieter after a few hundred kms
Reading what you wrote...you switched from "mobil 1" to "mobile one"???

So, other than color, the engine ran and continued to run as if "new" throughout all of this? I don't see the downside. In any event, I'm sure you understand that a sample of one in an uncontrolled experiment with unknown other variables does not override MB's official recommendation for me. But, thanks for sharing!
Sportstick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:47 PM   #14
J__
Senior Member
 
J__'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 296
Drives: 2012 C200 CGI
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportstick View Post
Reading what you wrote...you switched from "mobil 1" to "mobile one"???

So, other than color, the engine ran and continued to run as if "new" throughout all of this? I don't see the downside. In any event, I'm sure you understand that a sample of one in an uncontrolled experiment with unknown other variables does not override MB's official recommendation for me. But, thanks for sharing!
sorry my bad, switched from mobil 1 to Royal Purple.

yes I understand, it's just a personal choice I've made to stick to Royal Purple along with all my friends that track their car. We all used to swear by Mobil 1 but after trying Royal Purple, don't think we'd ever go back. Not saying Mobil 1 is not good, just that from our personal experiences, Royal Purple performed much better and the results were well worth the slightly higher price.

google some tests on Royal Purple vs Mobil 1. You'll find lots of them from independent sources that compare the 2 and other major brands.

edit: also will get slight hp increase (~4 hp tested on dyno just from switching oils from mobil 1). However most hp gains were from Motul 8100 oil, it's just quite pricey.

Last edited by J__; 07-14-2012 at 02:00 PM.
J__ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 01:53 PM   #15
Member
 
jetflyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: New York & Louisiana
Posts: 152
Drives: 2010 C300 Sport
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportstick View Post
In any event, I'm sure you understand that a sample of one in an uncontrolled experiment with unknown other variables does not override MB's official recommendation for me.

Good point
jetflyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 02:37 PM   #16
Member
 
Cocoout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 81
Drives: 2010 Dec S204 CGI-T AMG Edition
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
the best lubricants , i tried is pakelo .... the rest motul.......... not compared ......
Cocoout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 04:44 PM   #17
Super Moderator
 
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 19,792
Drives: late 2009 CLK 350 Coupe Elegance, '65 Jaguar S Type wires
Thanked 33 Times in 29 Posts
MDMG - No Royal Purple crap or similar. Only 229.5 approved oils but I know you will do that. Mobil 1 Euro formulation 0W-40 is excellent but so are other approved products. Benz has extreme HTHS requirements for cam & tappet protection. Not using 229.5 approved products invalidates warranty.

The filter is removable element & not spin on cartridge. We might have a terminology issue here.

One problem here. 229.5 products retard run-in severely. The Shell product in your engine is designed for the run-in period. These cars have chamferred MOS2 coated rings running in Alusil bores. They are hell to break in & changing early can lead to you having an oil burner for life.

If you decide to do an early change to 229.5 oils please only do this if you intend driving the car hard to ensure proper break in.

It's your choice. I'm not going to argue with you. Just be aware of the above. It is absolutely safe to adopt Benz recommended change interval or 1 year changes.

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 07-14-2012 at 04:48 PM.
Glyn M Ruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 09:28 PM   #18
Super Member
 
dfordham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 561
Drives: 2014 E350, 2012 SL550
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Domm View Post
you should check out the Acura forum. They have a new system called the iMid which determines the life of your oil using complex algorithms and everyone swears by it. I have no doubt that it functions well and Acura has spent a lot of money on it, but waiting till the oil has 0% life seems risky to me.
I had a 2002 W203 that had a similar system. It took into account how you drove the car and adjusted the oil change interval accordingly.

Don't know why they did away with that. I could be cynical and say it had something to do with money?

Regards,
Don
dfordham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2012, 10:57 PM   #19
Super Moderator
 
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 19,792
Drives: late 2009 CLK 350 Coupe Elegance, '65 Jaguar S Type wires
Thanked 33 Times in 29 Posts
The Benz FSS system is loaded on most cars but switched off. The problem with FSS systems is that they are in some respects a good monitor for engine oil life but not for other service checks where mileage, time or operating conditions are more meaningful.
Glyn M Ruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2012, 02:10 AM   #20
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
papashango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 1,313
Drives: '14 RR Sport Autobiography, '13 MB GLK 350, '13 MB E350 Conv, '11 RR Sport Autobiography, '12 BMWX5M
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by papashango View Post
How many litres of oil does this car take? Also, can you post a link of what a decent oil filter is for these cars?

I am not planning to take it to the dealer as they quoted me $250 for just an oil change which seems absolutely ridiculous. So I want to buy my own oil/filter and take it to some shop and get it changed.

Thanks

papashango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2012, 12:42 PM   #21
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 28
Drives: C250 Blk\Blk/Alum
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Oil change at 10k??? Shouldnt turbos be at 5k max???
Mrpster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2012, 01:54 PM   #22
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,329
Drives: 2004 Mazda6, 1993 RX7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by J__ View Post
no objective data, but from personal experience (sorta) friend's miata been running mobil 1 for as long as he's had it. We took it apart to change the cam and was the typical 10+ year engine look, dark brown. Switched to Royal Purple after it and long story short, after ~1500kms, we took the engine apart again and it was like brand new... car ran much much quieter after a few hundred kms
Not all Mobil1 oils are the same, and several are not on the 229.5 approved list, usually because of too low a value of HTHS, among other spec's. Which exact one did you try?

BTW that 280Z I6 ... how is it running?

.

Last edited by kevink2; 07-16-2012 at 02:01 PM.
kevink2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2012, 02:05 PM   #23
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,329
Drives: 2004 Mazda6, 1993 RX7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDMercedesGuy View Post
Has anyone on here done an oil change on their C250 yet?
I'm coming up on 4,000 miles - and that's about all I want to put on it with the factory fill......
I think the factory fill is a special Shell? 5W-30 run-in oil, as Glyn later said.

If the turbine shaft has full floating bushings (vs ball bearings), I would suggest 229.5 approved Castrol 0W-30, for minimal lag, based on my experience with other dialy driver turbos.

.
kevink2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2012, 02:30 PM   #24
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,329
Drives: 2004 Mazda6, 1993 RX7
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Domm View Post
you should check out the Acura forum. They have a new system called the iMid which determines the life of your oil using complex algorithms and everyone swears by it. I have no doubt that it functions well and Acura has spent a lot of money on it, but waiting till the oil has 0% life seems risky to me....
I'm sure the algorithm does not let you go to an absolute zero % life left, rather 0% allowed life left. It's like if you religeously change at 4500 miles, at 4499 miles, you have 0% allowed life remaining.

I studied a similar GM system that they have used for about all cars and trucks since ~2002. It was well thought out, used different logic and different allowed oil groups for the Vette vs a passenger car, and had superceeding limits like 1 year max and 3K miles min.

.
kevink2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 06:39 AM   #25
J__
Senior Member
 
J__'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 296
Drives: 2012 C200 CGI
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevink2 View Post
Not all Mobil1 oils are the same, and several are not on the 229.5 approved list, usually for too low a valvue of HTHS, among other spec's. Which exact one did you try?

BTW that 280Z I6 ... how is it running?

.
just the normal Mobil 1.

280z is running great, but my car only has 116k original kms on it haha. Car was stored for 20 years by previous owner.

Last edited by J__; 07-16-2012 at 08:19 AM.
J__ is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need some help! Blk63bk CLK63 Black Series Forum & Registry 3 09-11-2015 07:33 AM
2014 E250 Diesel Update nikobimmer E-Class (W212) 10 09-09-2015 06:34 PM
old fashion oil change 2008 r350 Miyanc R-Class (W251) 21 09-09-2015 10:48 AM
Oil temperature CSH GL63 AMG 1 09-05-2015 05:23 PM
FS: 2005 E320 4matic Estate marc hanna Mercedes Vehicles 0 09-02-2015 09:16 AM


Tags
2012, benz, c250, capacity, change, cost, coupe, filter, location, mercedes, mercedez, oil, pricing, sedan, sport


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:39 AM.


Copyright 2001-2012 InternetBrands, Inc. / MBWorld.org. All Rights Reserved.