Originally posted by FrankW The S60R is pretty nice, but not enough to go against the C32 or the M3. Maybe the New S4 in the 0-60 time, but not at higher speed.
IMO Volvo should've use the turbo 6 cyclinder from the S80 and sup it up instead of the 5 cyclinder.
I was an Volvo 850R, C70 T5 owner
The inline-5 is the best knowledged turbo engine out of Volvo. whatever invites performance, BTCC racing, "R" rated Volvo,
T5 is the best platform.
Regarding the Bi-turbo T6 , powerful though, less appears
in the tunning business,nose heavy is just one of the concerns ....
Originally posted by FrankW IMO Volvo should've use the turbo 6 cyclinder from the S80 and sup it up instead of the 5 cyclinder.
their insistence on transversely mounting the engine for torque and safety reasons won't allow for all 6 cylinders AND a tranny to fit in the engine bay....even on the s80, whose engine bay is humongous, the tranny is one of the smallest available (size-wise)...so they're stuck with inline-5...unbalanced as it is... but i ain't complaining ..pretty peppy for 5 cylinders at only 2.5L (2.3L in my car hehe), plus, volvo has been developing/working on it for over a decade, and it's n/a racing inline-5 was one of the most durable (except for the 97 s40 season) in the old btcc (which unfortunately got it's feet pulled from them, is not what it once was anymore, by monetary reasons...too bad)
The Volvo S60R leaves me wishing I had waited a little before buying my Mercedes. Sure I've got the Benz but I don't need that kind of attention. I love the Mercedes, but for the same price, I could have been sitting fat in the Volvo and had all the options I'm hoping to put on my C320 sport (suspension, exhaust, rims, body kit refinements). With a Mercedes, there is a presumption of status allowing many of it's inferior qualities to be overlooked by both the onlooker and owner, but this new R will likely turn just as many heads if not more than the Mercedes.
The C32 is for someone who isn't as picky with their money. All the numbers are in favor of the Vovo with the exception of horsepower and acceleration. Volvo's lateral acceleration limits and top speed surpised the heck out of me. Not to mention the sound system which MB should be ashamed of. But of course, if you've got loads of cash to spend, all the negatives can easily be turned into positives up and above the already 15k difference in price. But who cares about the extra cash for someone who bought a C32 in the first place.
I'll go with a C32, but first you would have to give it a manual transmission and put $20K in my bank account so I can buy it, have the speed governor removed, and the soundsystem upgraded.
Nice Job Volvo!!
2004 Black C320 Sport Sedan 6Spd manual, C2, C4, Bose w/Changer, H&R coilovers, Kleemann Exhaust, 20mm rear spacers
I test drove the S60R cuz I wanted to get it for my wife. If you're comparing it to the C32, which I also have, there is no comparison. There is a lag up to 1800 or 2000 RPM with the Volvo and then the turbo kicks in. The whine at 4800 to 5000 RPM may get annoying. It still is a very nice car for the money. You get a trick suspension which may be very expensive to replace once the warranty wears out. The one major thing I did not like was that it is based on an old 5 cylinder platform. Other than that, the cars a great bargain. I test drove the car at Cerritos Volvo. The car was fully loaded and they were asking $48K for it. I told them they were crazy. They wanted $4000 out of pocket and close to $900/month for 72 months. I walked out of there after I heard that. They since have called me twice to make a deal but I told them that I got an Infinit FX35 already. A $15000 difference is a lot of money. But the joy of the C32 is priceless.
Originally posted by onster Here are my two cents on this:
On another note MB, is part of Daimler/Chrysler but this is a merger of two car companies not a buy out of another company as Ford did to Volvo. So MB still retains its own distinctive values and style. Whereas Volvo has lost its distinctiveness because of FORD.
You don't really believe it was a merger do you?? Daimler-Benz bougth Chrysler...just look at all the Germans in Auburn Hills, and the composition of the Board of Directors at DC.