skent

Been doing some research and noticed Kleemann had these going for $1500 a few months ago. Does anyone know if this was a temp sale or if they dropped the price to that amount?

Also wondering if anyone has a dyno of that combo or what I could expect to gain.

Thanks!

RLx02

The blue line is before and the redline is after. This is with the kleemann headers + ecu. I already had a LET tune on the vehicle where it dynoed at 317 with tune + 2nd cat delete.

skent

Do Kleemann headers delete the primary cats? Wondering if you can still pass Texas inspection with secondaries deleted as well?

alumar

I have the highflow cats /w kleemann headers/longtubes and pass Illinois Emissions fine.

skent

Stupid quest then. Are the Kleemann headers long tube or shorty's?

RLx02

Kleemann's downpipe deletes the primaries. You can put sport cats on if you like but whether or not it will pass emissions (or stay legal) depends on the state.

They are a 4-1 design.

MBH motorsports

Take this for what it is... Here in AZ we have kind of strict emissions testing I guess. A catless E55 strolled into the inspection station for testing... In AZ you get two tries at it. Not sure what happens if you fail the second time They plugged the car in via obdII and the car passed. I guess here in AZ you only have to pass 3 out of 4 tests.

RLx02

In WA state for OBDII they just plug it in and if you arent throwing any codes you're good to go. So OBDII cars that are catless...pass..

skent

Hmm. Makes me nervous. I haven't had a car inspected in a long time (2 years) and I swear they stuck a device in the tail pipe. In addition on highway on ramps there are emissions testing stations with cameras setup from time to time. Not sure if they give you a ticket or what but I believe Texas might be stricter than any of the other states mentioned.

skent

Here are links for my county in regard to what they look for. Let me know what you all think I could do and have no problem. If I remember the secondary cats do not have any 02 sensors on them? If so I would assume there is no way for the OBDII system to know if they are there or not?

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/vi/Misc...SystemsChecked

Thanks

mikekuriger

I pass CA smog test with no 2nd cat.
~mike~

Tump43

NY is an OBDII state, so I passed with no primary cats and high flow secondary cats -- no mirror inspection. However, with good installation and proper welding techniques, if the inspector is not a Benz mechanic he is not likely to miss one set of cats with a mirror or even a lift. Back when NY was a sniffer State (putting a sensor in the tail pipe and reading emissions with the car on a dyno), my 300 E passed without the primary cats. MB uses primary cats for cold start emissions remediation, so, if you warm the car up well before your sniffer test, you should pass without one set of cats.

Edit -- from your post, you are an OBDII State. To pass you will have to have your ECU programed not to throw a code -- this is part of the Kleeman header package.

Good Luck!

BillD55

Heya SKent -
I am considering the Kleemann M113k Header kit and the Supercharger pulley kit with ECU and Trans chips reprogrammed. I live in the DFW area also and wonder if you opted in and how the emissions tests went? Thanks.

Smokey31

You do realise this was 6 years ago? and the poster hasn't logged in since then? lol

BillD55

yeah... know it was a long time ago, didn't know they haven't been back since. Thought I would ask.