whipplem104

Thought maybe some of the c36 guys might be interested.

https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post3202195

SeeKlasse

nice, do you have the system fully operational? any specs on how quick you got that 300ce running? i wonder how it would compare to rbycc's 300ce TT...

FLYNAVY

Thats one lucky c124

whipplem104

I ran all of these components minus the new intake in a different configuration. If you look at the beginning of the post there are some pictures.
The system runs 9lbs of boost and an Electromotive stand alone injection.
My last dyno before this current build is posted at 311 rwhp and 357 rwtq.
I hope to achieve 400 rwhp on the stock engine. I am going to build new headers and exhaust after this project is over.

AMS Performance

Shouldn't be that hard, that engine is built like a freight train, it can handle pretty much anything you throw at it as long as you put a good tune on it. I wouldn't be surprised if it could handle as much as 12psi. The crank & rods are extremely strong, and it is a cast iron block. Only area of weakness is probably the head gasket, its just not that strong.

Good lucky on the project.

whipplem104

Here is some progress.

kinghais

how much is cost u to put that supercharge????
u selling it???

bagelsjustbagel

+1 you should make a kit for ppl to buy

whipplem104

I am planning on selling this. This has been the major catalyst to the newer
design. I am still trying to figure what the cost will be. I will not be supplying a
tune. This will have to be handled on the other end. I can help with this, but unless I do the install and have the car I do not want to be liable for tuning.
I run a standalone injection system, but either larger injectors and or a rising rate fuel pressure regulator, or a piggy back system will work. All have been done with success. There is also the outside chance of getting one of the tuners to do some dyno tuning.
My cost for this project is around $4500.00 for just the components and no fuel management.
I am planning for big horsepower though.

SeeKlasse

on a 3 liter m104 400whp is great. i wonder how big whp a c36 with the 3.6 liter m104 could get... i recall reading that the TT c36 could make up to 500hp but im not sure if that was wheel hp.

whipplem104

Mine is a 3.2 liter. I know of a guy with a 3.6 making 420+ rwhp. To get much above that requires custom pistons. I think that the block and crank are good for 600 crank hp. Actually going with the small bores of the 3.0l start to be advantageous because of cylinder wall thickness.

NitrogenBalance

Thats tucked in nice! Looks better than the last setup.

When do you see things finishing up?

whipplem104

Probably a coulple of weeks. I am then going to go back to the dyno and get a new baseline. After that I am going to build some headers and a complete exhaust system. I think part of my high rpm horsepower problem is exhaust back pressure.

whipplem104

velocity stacks came in.

SeeKlasse

sorry for the noob question, but how is the supercharger implemented? i see it squeezed inbetween the motor and what seems to be an intercooler, can u go over the design?

thanks

whipplem104

The supercharger is mounted directly to the block under the intake manifold.
Then the intercooler mounts to the blower output. It will then blow out of the intercooler through the two pipes to the plenum. That part is still in debate.
I may change this a little if I do it again. I am using my old intercooler and would select a larger one, in a different shape for future projects. The basic blower location will be unchanged though.
I am running the pulley where the stock water pump would be and then running a electric remote mount pump from mezeire. This should be good for some extra horsepower and better cooling.

ProjectC55

3.2 or 3.0L block is the ticket!

SeeKlasse

interesting...

money-one

this has opened my eyes to a whole different world. Im starting to rethink my choice in car

NitrogenBalance

No better no worse. You've got the coolest setup with the 5.5 w202. Post up some pictures of the beast. I wouldn't second guess that ride for a minute, hell I'll buy you a W124 just to trade.

RBYCC

whipplem104

Really the only substantial difference between 124 and the 202 is the front suspension and wheel arches as far as the chassis is concerned. Cosmetically the 124 is harder. Just not very much available to get a good look. The biggest thing for me is the wheel arches. It is just impossible to get wheels and tires to fit the car without the 500e fenders and custom rear arches.
Besides it is plenty easy to get a 202 with a m104. c280, c36, or just transplant one.
The great thing about the m104 is they are cheap to repl. and tough as nails. Also the early 202 and 124 are easier to go full standalone injection and still have the rest of the car work. Especially no traction control.

bagelsjustbagel

you should make a kit for the C36

I would buy it forsure as long as all it is, is install and tune no body mods.

whipplem104

Everything is the same on the c36 engine as a 3.2l except some internals.
So everything that I am making would bolt on. I do not want to get involved in tuning as of now. Unless I do it personally. My goal is to make something that someone can take care of that on their own with either a standalone or rising rate fpr or piggy back and some injectors. I am fairly sure that up to about 6lbs of boost could be handled with larger injectors and maybe some minor fuel pressure increase. '97 and newer cars would not be a problem with the throttle linkage as they have the 722.6, making it possible to put the throttle actuator in front were there is plenty of room. I have been thinking about the transmission cable problem on the older cars and am working on a design.

bagelsjustbagel

Nice

I would Buy this kit In July probably, if u make multiple kits