Eibach vs HR vs vogtland
06-24-2010, 08:24 PM
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Contacted a USA authorized vogtland dealer and this is what he told me:
There are 2 kits available for the C43.... The Regular vogtland kit and the junior kit. The difference between the 2 are the dampers. The regular kit will give you about a 1.4" drop with vogtland springs and KONI dampers the junior kit ( the lesser of the 2) is 1.6" drop with vogtland springs and tokico dampers. I was under the impression the kits came with the bilstein dampers. The dealer said they could probably substitute them but it would cost extra $$$. Has anyone ordered one of these kits, if you have where did you get it, what dampers did it come with and how much did you pay????
I looked up bilstein and the dampers they are selling for the C43 are $140 A PIECE!! that's $560 WITHOUT the springs!!!!! The vogtland springs by them selves are about $200 so we are looking @ $760 + shipping. The vogtland kit with the KONIS is $662 + $30 for shipping = $692. We are talking about a $70-100 difference w/ shipping which isn't enough for me to care about, all I want is the best. So Should I go with the bilstein's or the KONI's?? I am leaning towards the bilstein's..... if they are good enough for AMG they are good enough for me but I also don't have ANY experience with the KONIS. I am looking for a smoother ride but I really don't want to sacrifice performance. Can anyone answer these questions???
There are 2 kits available for the C43.... The Regular vogtland kit and the junior kit. The difference between the 2 are the dampers. The regular kit will give you about a 1.4" drop with vogtland springs and KONI dampers the junior kit ( the lesser of the 2) is 1.6" drop with vogtland springs and tokico dampers. I was under the impression the kits came with the bilstein dampers. The dealer said they could probably substitute them but it would cost extra $$$. Has anyone ordered one of these kits, if you have where did you get it, what dampers did it come with and how much did you pay????
I looked up bilstein and the dampers they are selling for the C43 are $140 A PIECE!! that's $560 WITHOUT the springs!!!!! The vogtland springs by them selves are about $200 so we are looking @ $760 + shipping. The vogtland kit with the KONIS is $662 + $30 for shipping = $692. We are talking about a $70-100 difference w/ shipping which isn't enough for me to care about, all I want is the best. So Should I go with the bilstein's or the KONI's?? I am leaning towards the bilstein's..... if they are good enough for AMG they are good enough for me but I also don't have ANY experience with the KONIS. I am looking for a smoother ride but I really don't want to sacrifice performance. Can anyone answer these questions???
06-24-2010, 11:48 PM
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What is the difference between the HD's and the sports? what is HD short for??
06-25-2010, 08:54 AM
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HD's are heavy duty and sports just have a shorter piston length for lowered cars. The valving in them is identical. Porsche guys, even lowered, swear by the HD's. I would assume the HD's also may be a tad bit more comfortable due to the extra travel they have.
06-25-2010, 06:41 PM
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So why did you go with the sports instead of the HD's???
06-26-2010, 02:22 PM
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Didn't have to make that decision, they were on it when I bought her 
. Previous owner also sourced the euro sunshades and Harmon/Kardon TrafficPro GPS Navigation headunit. I put Bilstein HD's on my 300E, was very happy with them with and without lowering springs. IMO if you are planning to lower go for the sports.
. Previous owner also sourced the euro sunshades and Harmon/Kardon TrafficPro GPS Navigation headunit. I put Bilstein HD's on my 300E, was very happy with them with and without lowering springs. IMO if you are planning to lower go for the sports.
06-26-2010, 05:32 PM
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Didn't have to make that decision, they were on it when I bought her . Previous owner also sourced the euro sunshades and Harmon/Kardon TrafficPro GPS Navigation headunit. I put Bilstein HD's on my 300E, was very happy with them with and without lowering springs. IMO if you are planning to lower go for the sports.
. Previous owner also sourced the euro sunshades and Harmon/Kardon TrafficPro GPS Navigation headunit. I put Bilstein HD's on my 300E, was very happy with them with and without lowering springs. IMO if you are planning to lower go for the sports.
09-04-2010, 03:50 PM
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09-14-2010, 08:57 PM
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So I went with the vogtlands..... I got the 35mm kit so I believe that is about 1.4". I am awaiting the bilstein sports that I ordered through a shop here as well as the K-MAC rear camber kit. Unfortunately I am going on a business trip to Ohio so I will not be able to get these installed for a couple weeks 
I will be posting before and after pics after I get them installed.
I will be posting before and after pics after I get them installed.
09-15-2010, 05:40 AM
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So I went with the vogtlands..... I got the 35mm kit so I believe that is about 1.4". I am awaiting the bilstein sports that I ordered through a shop here as well as the K-MAC rear camber kit. Unfortunately I am going on a business trip to Ohio so I will not be able to get these installed for a couple weeks I will be posting before and after pics after I get them installed.
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yo buddy, please post the parts numbers for these springs.
were you able to pick different lowering rates?
I see you picked 35mm kit.
Is it 35mm all 4 corners?
HR offers standard 25mm, but 35mm will it rub if you use thinner springpads?
Maybe if using nr #2=9mm springpads all 4 corners will avoid rubbing?
09-15-2010, 05:47 PM
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09-15-2010, 05:51 PM
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yo buddy, please post the parts numbers for these springs.
were you able to pick different lowering rates?
I see you picked 35mm kit.
Is it 35mm all 4 corners?
HR offers standard 25mm, but 35mm will it rub if you use thinner springpads?
Maybe if using nr #2=9mm springpads all 4 corners will avoid rubbing?
were you able to pick different lowering rates?
I see you picked 35mm kit.
Is it 35mm all 4 corners?
HR offers standard 25mm, but 35mm will it rub if you use thinner springpads?
Maybe if using nr #2=9mm springpads all 4 corners will avoid rubbing?
The part # for the front springs = VA952057
The part # for the rear springs = HA 952058
They have a "junior" kit that is supposed to lower your car 1.6"
This kit is supposed to lower your car 1.4" all around, I plan on using #2 pads in the front (maybe #3) and #4 or #5 pads in the rear.
09-15-2010, 06:04 PM
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1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(
i went with a stiffer rear to front setup just to kill the understeer.
i mixed springs, fronts are bilstein, and rears are H&R from the W211, a much heavier car. so its a bit tail happy, but i like it this way.
09-15-2010, 06:13 PM
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cant say abt the hight measure them and i can help, but i can say that the fronts are stiffer by a margin now, the rear will be stiffer but not by much.
i went with a stiffer rear to front setup just to kill the understeer.
i mixed springs, fronts are bilstein, and rears are H&R from the W211, a much heavier car. so its a bit tail happy, but i like it this way.
i went with a stiffer rear to front setup just to kill the understeer.
i mixed springs, fronts are bilstein, and rears are H&R from the W211, a much heavier car. so its a bit tail happy, but i like it this way.
09-15-2010, 06:35 PM
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1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(
Oh u have a C43!!!, my friend's EURO 43 is pretty stiff from stock
his fronts are 16mm thick, so slightly thicker than what u have, just by a hair, and rears irrc are same, but im sure they have more coils, which means they r softer than what u have.
my 36 had 15mm fronts, and 14mm rears. now i have 16mm x 8 coils up front, and 15mm x 7.x at the rear.
its almost as stiff as his 43 on the front but much stiffer at the rear.
his fronts are 16mm thick, so slightly thicker than what u have, just by a hair, and rears irrc are same, but im sure they have more coils, which means they r softer than what u have.
my 36 had 15mm fronts, and 14mm rears. now i have 16mm x 8 coils up front, and 15mm x 7.x at the rear.
its almost as stiff as his 43 on the front but much stiffer at the rear.
09-15-2010, 08:15 PM
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The part # for all 4 springs = 952079
The part # for the front springs = VA952057
The part # for the rear springs = HA 952058
They have a "junior" kit that is supposed to lower your car 1.6"
This kit is supposed to lower your car 1.4" all around, I plan on using #2 pads in the front (maybe #3) and #4 or #5 pads in the rear.
The part # for the front springs = VA952057
The part # for the rear springs = HA 952058
They have a "junior" kit that is supposed to lower your car 1.6"
This kit is supposed to lower your car 1.4" all around, I plan on using #2 pads in the front (maybe #3) and #4 or #5 pads in the rear.
thanx for the info.
if euro c43s are lower than US cars,maybe picking the minor lowering spring set is better?
If I put H&R standard lowering springs with 25mm spring version, this set up will just drop the car a tad near the top of the tires?
or
If I go with Vogtland that lowers more 35mm then I would need thicker springpads?
My car have from factory nr #2 =9mm pads all 4 corners
I found another cheap combo
the H&R spring/shox combo, it lowers the car 60mm front and 40mm rear.
It doesn't cost much, it's about $935 converted to US dollars.
I bet this cupkit is cheaper in USA?
http://www.bilmodecenter.se/hr-cup-k...232-c-710.aspx
maybe if I buy this kit it's a better buy or cheaper?
I guess there's no height/stiffness adjustment on this cupkit?
anyone recommends this kit?
09-16-2010, 02:36 AM
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So I went with the vogtlands..... I got the 35mm kit so I believe that is about 1.4". I am awaiting the bilstein sports that I ordered through a shop here as well as the K-MAC rear camber kit. Unfortunately I am going on a business trip to Ohio so I will not be able to get these installed for a couple weeks I will be posting before and after pics after I get them installed.
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I will be posting before and after pics after I get them installed.Attachment 191867
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Sorry to say but your car will most likely rub
10-18-2010, 05:28 AM
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I found these Vogtland springs for w208 CLK 6 cylinder cars #952014
They handle up to 1010 kg. on the front axle.
They lower 35 mm x4.
These CLK cars do they share the same factory springs like C43?
Shox from CLK fits C43 then I guess it will be the same for springs too?
Vogtland partsnumbers are different between CLK and C43 (952079)
This info is for w209
can they fit 202 or is it different type of axle construction?
Mercedes CLK, W209, 8 cyl., front up to 1090 kg rear up to 1195 kg
#952073
Lowers 35mm
They handle up to 1010 kg. on the front axle.
They lower 35 mm x4.
These CLK cars do they share the same factory springs like C43?
Shox from CLK fits C43 then I guess it will be the same for springs too?
Vogtland partsnumbers are different between CLK and C43 (952079)
This info is for w209
can they fit 202 or is it different type of axle construction?
Mercedes CLK, W209, 8 cyl., front up to 1090 kg rear up to 1195 kg
#952073
Lowers 35mm
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