cm60k

To avoid any kind of troubles,, better if you can find a good working W210/W208 Engine,,

Pull it-out & swap it,, after swapping, you need to diagnostic & test the hole system,,

Then need to run the car for a while to let the ECU reads & stored an increasing power,

Then back to garage to tested again to see if any faulty codes been stored,,

Clear everything & rest the system,,

THAT’S ALL....

ZAYED,,

KJI3jflarryfe93

thnx bro.

KJI3jflarryfe93

found this info when browsing another forum

i've highlighted the worrying info

A little word of warning: I really wouldn't go 'exploring the full performance' until you have a properly flashed/re-mapped ECU. If you're currently running on the 43 map then the 55 engine will not perform as well or as safely. The last thing you need now after all this hard work is a blown engine. Things like air/fuel ratios and injector pulse timings are important to get right to prevent under/over fuelling and the associated possibility of det etc. When you're playing around with this much power it's wise to have a little more patience, hard as that may be.

i also red in the same thread that even if C43 shares the same # partsnumber for ECU, the software is not the same between both cars?
C43 ECU uses different data to E55 ECU?

seems like running the stock C43 ECU with E55 engine is not recommendable according to other people?
what is correct and what is wrong?

i have found two engines.
one engine is a 1998 with 120000KM
the other engine is a 2001 with 160000KM

both engines seems to be from private german imports purchased by private person and not imported to Sweden by stealership as official imports.
this means mileage and service records may not be correct on these engines which came from both donor cars, many cars in Sweden were private german imports which turned out to be shady cars which were crashed on Autobahn or had mileage corrected to scam potential buyers, many buyers in Sweden went to Germany, buyers were scammed by shady german sellers when swedes struck gold in Germany buying cheap cars, at least that's what they were thinking they did.
most people were ripped off!

the price from two swedish junkyards, one junkyard wants approx $1900 dollars for the 2001 engine and for the 1998 engine junkyard wants approx $2400 dollars, a lot of cash for 17 year engine.
both engines has the lowest mileage on junkyard ads.

buying pig in the bag is a massive warning with import cars

PJmak

Flash the ecu to whatever spec the engine came from man. Its as simple as that. Ive been told to do this by a few very reliable sources

mickey13

I thought I read somewhere that flashing it to 5.4 would actually lower HP. Sorry I can't point to the thread since I've been reading so many of them. But I'll edit and add here if I run across it again.

Kowalski, just pull the trigger and get any engine, I don't think the difference is going to be that much and knowing you'll change all the seals and required parts then the engine will be

Just received my engine today and will start a complete disassemble. So excited!

KJI3jflarryfe93

hey miki

that's exactly my thoughts, people write here on this forum that when the c43 ecu is reflashed to E55 data torque and HP will be lost, that's no fun if i lose power with my engine swap?
this info worries me if i do the engine swap and stick to stock ecu VS using a reflashed ecu losing power?
there are problems either way.

here is the link where i found the info.
it's on page 7 #69

http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/sh...&highlight=c55

mileage on my car is a lot less than 100000 miles on odometer, it has only covered approx 109000km's in 16 years
the 98 engine would suit the best as it's the nearest mileage to my odo

Predrage, brate moj, ne volim da gubim konjska snaga ako promenim data u ECU

PJmak

You might lose some single digit hps from what i heard. Better than running a risk of your engine running into problems

PJmak

There is a dyno pull video on youtube where the owner states that he lost power while running an e55 "performance tune". The stock c43 tune had better results

KJI3jflarryfe93

my Güru who fix my car has a 2001 E55 amg
could he copy the software from his e55 ecu and update my c43 ecu with his software by using STAR?

i was watching Yu-tube and found this video

don't know if the owner is a member here?
if you listen to what they are talking about in this video.
C43/55 owner says best thing is to stick with stock C43 ecu not touching it because the air/fuel ratio was better with stock ecu.
when he did the 55 ecu reflash he said car was running a bit rich, so doing a dyno and piggyback tune up with stock ecu would be the best deal.

please explain what's a piggyback tune up, what's being done to the car with this piggyback tune up?

PJmak

I dont see why it would do that. Its a motor from an e55 so if its tuned to the stock e55 software it would run as fine as a stock e55 car. Thats how it was made by amg, it should be fine. There is more chance of it running bad if you tune it to a software that was designed for a 4.3 m113

mickey13

no disrespect but if your guru isnt sure than just use him for the install and move on to a tuner who can use a computer to monitor and evaluate the performance of the new engine with the c43 ecu. might turn out that nothing is necessary or it might be a big problem, however please don't think simply because someone calls themselves a tuner they are. a person who charges money simply to change your ecu because they will not profit otherwise isn't helping you, i'd suggest paying them a flat fee to evaluate (time is money and nobody works for free) and if they can demonstrate to you in hard evidence that there is a significant benefit from remapping the ecu, then ok. my point is that you'll have to find someone who is honest to prove to you that a remap is better. i'll probably just leave my ecu as in when i slap in the 5.4 unless i decide to s/c.

KJI3jflarryfe93

hey brother mickey

my guru is the best in the area where i live, he can do anything with a car!
he is even better than MB stealership own service guys.
i haven't asked him if it's possible to clone his e55 ecu?
i will ask him about this when i take my car out from hybernation this spring.

i don't know about any maptuners in my country, i know about Eurocharged in UK but they could do the reflash if it's necessary?

i wonder if stealership can offer a 55 reflash to c43 ecu through STAR?

i'm keen to know when you do your swap and drive her with the stock ecu.
i wanna know all ecu readings if they are in spec with the new engine when you do a check out?

mickey13

You will be the third to know! LOL

I'd be suspect about using an out of country tuner. I feel like the tuner needs to connect his computer to your car and make a number of test runs, then he needs to evaluate that information and adjust the map, then make more runs and confirm the changes are correct. Granted a tuner who has done this swap might be able to use previously generated maps, however not every engine is the same so there should be a discount if it isn't a custom map.

No engine is exactly the same and while a custom map may not provide extreme benefits, I do not see the need to pay custom map prices for a non-custom map...

Like I said, if I go N/A, then I'll just leave it as is.

mickey13

Sorry not to include this in my last email, but I did watch the video and the owner claims that factory ecu runs better than the flash (What the flash means is beyond me. It could be the 55 flash or some other flash, who knows!). Piggyback in this video means that it should be tuned on the dyno. But the owner of this car also didn't know about his suspension, what pads were used and he also opted to cut the springs... Not sure the well respected members of this forum would agree that is the best route and the owner also couldn't answer questions about the install on the wiring harness. I'd guess if he was intimately involved in the swap, he'd know if holes had to be drilled for the wiring harness. Guessing they probably didn't, but he still wasn't sure.

My personal opinion is that this video isn't worth the bandwidth it's stored on and you'd be better off to ignore it.

PJmak

Saying that the 5.4 would run unhealthy on a stock e55 or any amg 55 tune is like saying that a stock e55 wont run healthy the way it was tuned at the factory. Im having mine reflashed to a stock e55 tune. Ill post all results and impressions once the swap is done.

My engine is already out. A friend of mine who is doing my swap ran into some problems with his house so my swap has been delayed but hopefully should be done in a few weeks

nkctb7

I'm about to take the plunge with the purchase of a 55 motor. All said and done what is the total maximum gains one can expect including headers, RennTech airbox, Eurocharge tune, etc.? I'm just curious if supercharging the 4.3 is the better way to go. Any opinions?

Cheers

nkctb7

I've located a 2001 E55 motor with a mere 40K kms on it. The seller is pondering my offer of $2500 CAD and it appears that he will accept it. I haven't been this excited since the purchase of my one owner C43 three years ago. I will post pics of the progress and of the transplant. I'm definitely going with headers before I drop her in.

mickey13

Nice! Any ideas on what headers you'll use? I can't find any worthwhile and am thinking custom? The w210s won't fit right? The w208s do though, correct?

eFifty5AMG

Hell yeah!
& Mickey, I thought 210/208 works best?

nkctb7

I'm not 100% certain about W210 headers clearing on a C43. I was thinking custom as I'm not entirely impressed with Kleemann. The welding appears subpar for considering the price. I say that with no disrespect as it is just my observation. i plan to have this project completed before April as the weather is crappy here and will be for three more months.

mickey13

It is impossible to get Kleemann headers to fit 202 except used, pretty sure none of the current for sale headers fit or they would just say so and sell more for other cars. You could always get someone to cut/bend the 210/208s but why bother with the high price of new headers and labor to make it fit? if you're going to drop $ then pay an extra few $ and have custom done up. No?

Most shops are crooks just like the stealership but this is an area where they really get you since welding isn't so easy. Turning a ratchet is a little bit easier no?

KJI3jflarryfe93

i try to ask here.
what do you think happened to this engine?
why was top filter housing cut off?

engine looks very clean for 120xxxkm's

can this cut off part be replaced, or this engine is bust?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mercedes-S-Kl...960&rmvSB=true

DutchC54

i just bought 2 (complete with harness, ecu and coverplates)engines for less money then asked for this complete/damaged one. (one with 100.000kms and one with 148.000km's)
if located in Europe/scandinavia area plenty M113 n/a can be found.

KJI3jflarryfe93

scandinavia has lousy condition engines at junkyards, high mileage imports with shady history.
i don't know where elso to look?
it's either german ebay or swedish junkyards, none of them has good low mileage engines!!
I want an engine from 2001-2002 with approx 100.000km's - 12xxxxkm's so i can do my conversion

cm60k

Hey Dennis, you are in Sweden isn't.?, the country of all kind of [[power range]], you definitely can find a plenty of these Engine flows around,,

have to be a big fun with 5.4l, deserve more than that MaaaaaaaN..

ZAYED,,