KJI3jflarryfe93

I'm going to be looking for a w210 E55 engine.
I will start saving money for this mod.

Is it best to look for a 2002 engine which was the last year of w210 cars?
These last year engines should have all known issues cured?

Are there any other known problems on high mileage engines?
I have found engines from 140.000 KM's up to 200.000 KM's
I know about H-B problems, old style belt tensioner breaking, leaking gaskets on upper oil cooler, leaking valve cover gaskets.
Are there any other known problems beside the above?

Buying a high mileage engine, maybe it was thrashed by the previous owner driving his car like a carthief b4 engine got the correct working temp, or using low quality engine oil when servicing the car?
You never know what you get when you buy a used engine.
Could there be internal wear n tear issues on these m113 engines?

I've red all threads about 55 swap.
People write all kinds of replies.
However I'm not sure if all replies are correct?
When I find my engine and will be doing the swap, does W210 E55 engine oilpan fit directly on w202 chassie without problems or do I need to remove oil pan from C43 engine to fit the new E55 engine?

Rear plug on engine for water cooling inlet is plugged on W210 engine, on C43 it's unplugged, how do I remove this black plug on E55 engine without damaging anything and then fitting an adaptor nozzle for C43 water pipe inlet?
Dealership do they sell these adaptors?
Do I use existing C43 water pipe connecting to 55 engine?

When taking parts from C43 engine?
Is it only wireloom, starter motor, alternator, headers?
What else is needed, do I need to swap throttle?
Do I need to use C43 engine mounts or can I use E55 mounts fitted?

Cluster rpm question.
E55 redlines @ 6000 rpm's, C43 redlines @ 6500 rpm's.
What wil be correct rpm reading in my cluster when speeding @ high rpm's?

When doing a compression test?
I guess it's a good thing when each bar for each cylinder shows equal pressure after testing?
Should this be a healthy engine, seen the test result in bar?

w202mylove

I was wondering when you would be starting about this mod lol.
If you get the engine from the clk55 instead of the E55 it will be a direct fit due to different oil pan. E55 engine oilpan will not fit directly on w202 chassie without problems!
within a few years we probably all will be driving a w202 with a 55 swap lol

KJI3jflarryfe93

breakers in Schweden do offer a few engines from scrapped cars but nothing below 100.000 km's, scheize verdamt!
I won't have any matching KM-stand on my car if I put a high mileage engine vs my car's cluster mileage.
Scheize!

w202mylove

haha if your engine is low mileage why not supercharge it? it would cost about the same as a swap. How much power are you looking for?

KJI3jflarryfe93

my engine is only 103.000km

i tink sc causes more stress to vital components?
am aj rajt or vrong?

i guess sc is heavier on gas?
also needs remapping ecu?
sc noise may be quite annoying at full blast or not?

maybe it's a bigger job to finetune everyting with a sc?

w202mylove

It's heavier on gas yes, does need remapping for the ecu. Noise from sc depends on what kit you buy(what pulley's are used) Don't know what would be the easier job, c43k or 55 swap. Both opnions bring a risk with them. you could end up buying a 55 engine wish hasn't been serviced right. Or end up with a dead 4.3 engine chance is small this would happen but still it there is the risk.
http://shop.kleemann.dk/shop/kompres...-430-280p.html I assume this is with costum ecu? someone has to know more about this.

My advise get the lowest mileage 55 engine available. they are pretty reliable engines like you know yourself. 140k(km) isn't really a problem. btw will you swap transmission?

Many people have done this mod looking forward to see what their opnion is about this.

jarvis210

[QUOTE=kowalski;5444295]I'm going to be looking for a w210 E55 engine.
I will start saving money for this mod.

Is it best to look for a 2002 engine which was the last year of w210 cars?
These last year engines should have all known issues cured?

i got a motor from a 2000 e55 113 has very little known issues. the major issues that the 113 had only happened on the 430 platform and not the 500 or 55

Are there any other known problems on high mileage engines?
I have found engines from 140.000 KM's up to 200.000 KM's
I know about H-B problems, old style belt tensioner breaking, leaking gaskets on upper oil cooler, leaking valve cover gaskets.
Are there any other known problems beside the above?

no major problems on high mileage engines besides oil leaks but with the motor out you should reseal everything as it is much easier. the oil cooler seals take 10 minutes to replace with the engine out or in

Buying a high mileage engine, maybe it was thrashed by the previous owner driving his car like a carthief b4 engine got the correct working temp, or using low quality engine oil when servicing the car?
You never know what you get when you buy a used engine.
Could there be internal wear n tear issues on these m113 engines?

i have taken 112 and 113 engines apart with over 300k miles and if properly maintained there are really no internal wear issues you should worry about

I've red all threads about 55 swap.
People write all kinds of replies.
However I'm not sure if all replies are correct?
When I find my engine and will be doing the swap, does W210 E55 engine oilpan fit directly on w202 chassie without problems or do I need to remove oil pan from C43 engine to fit the new E55 engine?

the 210 oil pan and the 208 oil pan are a direct fit into the 202. whatever other people tell you i can assure you it is the same(ive done it)

Rear plug on engine for water cooling inlet is plugged on W210 engine, on C43 it's unplugged, how do I remove this black plug on E55 engine without damaging anything and then fitting an adaptor nozzle for C43 water pipe inlet?
Dealership do they sell these adaptors?
Do I use existing C43 water pipe connecting to 55 engine?

simple the e55 right side cylinder head has a freeze plug in it. I hamered a flat blade screwdriver through it and pryed it out. i added some heat using a torched to help aid it coming out. it is a press fit and there is no sealant used. the new part you need can be purchased at the dealer and cost under 20 dollars. ill get you the part number. the new part you just hammer in with a mallet so it does not get damaged. and your done

When taking parts from C43 engine?
Is it only wireloom, starter motor, alternator, headers?
What else is needed, do I need to swap throttle?
Do I need to use C43 engine mounts or can I use E55 mounts fitted?

you will need to use the harness from your 43, plus all accesories, exhaust manifolds, throttle motor, and your 43 mounts will be reused.

Cluster rpm question.
E55 redlines @ 6000 rpm's, C43 redlines @ 6500 rpm's.
What wil be correct rpm reading in my cluster when speeding @ high rpm's?

just drive the car your rpm reading will be fine and all your redlines are set the engine control unit that is already in your car

When doing a compression test?
I guess it's a good thing when each bar for each cylinder shows equal pressure after testing?

my engine had 195 psi on all cylinders give or take a few psi on each cylinder. mercedes allows for up to 10% difference between cylinders but 113 should be pretty equal accross.

ProjectC55

Like Jarvis210 said!

KJI3jflarryfe93

Jarvis210
thanks for the info.

most thing i worry about is the water inlet connection?
please let me know what parts + partsnumbers I need to connect everything when doing the engine swap?
can I re-use c43 waterhose = connecting hose to e55 waterinlet?

is e55 ecu needed to get the best performance from my car with engine swap?
# getting wrong gasmileage with c43 ecu?
# car is running too lean or too rich with c43 ecu?
# gears holding too long or trans shifting too soon with c43 ecu?
or any other problems that might occur with the wrong ecu from C43?
E55 engine isn't matched to c43 ecu, therefore all data should be wrong with mismatched engine?

# if using transmission from an e55 with e55 engine?
do I get wrong gear ratio from rear c43 diff which was designed and matched to c43 specifications?
does c43 diff needs to be replaced to e55 diff?

#also if using e55 trans, do i need to get e55 propshaft?
e55 propshaft is more sturdier to handle more tourqe.

Saaboteur

Most of the answers to you questions are in the '55' swap thread! Or you can see what I did in minute detail if you go through my 'build' thread too.

A note about the water pipe on the back of the 43 motor - for the life of me I could just not remove it off my 43. I used a torch to try to loosen it too, but no luck. You can remove the frost plug pretty easily just by hitting it with a punch. You can also order a new water pipe from the dealer. I have a spare though, it took forever to arrive so I had my engine builder fabricate something up for me instead. PM me if you want the spare.

DRBC43AMG

The MB factory sell used M113 engines in good condition with perhaps some sort of guarantee. I discovered that when browsing the MB site in the parts section. Plenty of secoind hand parts also available at a discounted price. You can also buy a fully reconditioned engine in Germany, but it does cost some Euros. You should have peace of mind. If you SC a NA M113 engine take into consideration that it has a relatively high compression ratio. If you put too much boost on the SC you probably will blow the guts out of the engine block
P.S. I was also thinking of this conversion but I have other plans....

ProjectC55

I have the stock c43 transmission and Ecu in my car. This is a direct swap not difficult at all like you guys want to make it. I modded my Ecu to get more performance not because. It was necessary. The stock Ecu will work fine.

KJI3jflarryfe93

might be the easiest n cheapest way to leave the rest of the c43 bits intact?
did you reflash your ecu at stealership or at a performance shop?
what did you do to your ecu to make it work smoother?

ProjectC55

Nothing only removed the delimiter. That's it!

2PHAST

Your best choice is to just use the C43 ECU, it will adapt and work just fine. In my friends car, he had the C43 remapped with a performance E55 tune. It actually lost power on the dyno.

Don't waste your time remapping the ECU.

KJI3jflarryfe93

who took care of your delimiter?
did you go to the stealership?
did they hustle you like always when using stealership service?

nd4spd13

Reading all this got me thinking, and DAMN these engines are cheap

Some quick Qs though: Are exhaust headers exactly the same on both engine? Also is the AMG airbox the same? Or are either slightly bigger for increased flow?

KJI3jflarryfe93

airfilter boxes should be the same give or take a minor factory tweak?
both engines uses the same airfilters according to Autohausaz shop.

headers from e55 is larger, doesn't fit in w202 chassie.

ciao dude

jarvis210

The exhaust manifolds must be used because of the design and clearance with the body of the car itself.

The 43 uses the same Ecu as the 210 e55. so just put the motor in and fire it up and go have fun with it.

ProjectC55

I fail to see why so many guys want to make the installation so difficult when there is so much info given on the install and how its really just a plug and play deal. I don't get it!

ProjectC55

The E55 mani 's are not bigger,they are straight as opposed to the c43's being slightly curved due to the closeness of the firewall like Jarvis posted.

KJI3jflarryfe93

they won't bolt to c43 exhaust because they are designed straight?
i thought they were longer or wider and wouldn't clear in engine bay?

cm60k

Shared,,

The "W210/W208" Engines are fitted directly, i didn’t see any kind of difficulty or hesitation with installation....??,

It may find some small things that can be easily fixed, no need to mention it....

ZAYED,,

Mercedes22

You are also on the MBClub UK Forum and you know how many Olly has done, he has also answered all the questions.

KJI3jflarryfe93

people have different experiance about swapping engines, some had good and others had bad experiance.
I wanna know about pro vs cons to avoid future problems, therefore I asked.