Dziner82

was my first time out, kinda disappointed in times but not too worried since it was the first time, was lots of fun after understanding how the staging and lights are.

was at night here in Michigan, temp was about 60-65 degrees F, hardly any elevation, about 830 feet.

I got 6 runs in, listing my bests below (note they may not all be from the same run:
Best ET: 14.772 @97.76 (my 2nd to last run)
Best trap speed: 97.76mph (hit that twice, slowest was 96.62 mph)
Best reaction time: +0.1436 (all others were just over 4/10th's... ouch)
Best 60' time: 2.4180 (this was on my first run:14.91 ET, on my fastest run had 2.4181 60')

speeds on best run @:
1/8 mile: 76.28
1000': 88.71
1/4 mile: 97.76

one thing i notices was that my best reaction time was not my best 1/4 mile time, even though the reaction time was 3/10th's better, my 60' time was 8/100th's slower (yes 100th's). so i must have had quite a bad launch/bad time hooking up on that one.
In theory with the same reaction time paired with my best launch i should be able to get those extra 3/10ths back out of the ET, which would bring me down to roughly 14.47, which is where the car 'should' be.... does my math make sense there??

only performance mods are K&N filters, i dont think my tires are better than stock for grip right now though they are a bit wider (255). euro springs and bilstein sports probably hurt more than help in quarter mile, but i doubt its very significant.

I ran the rear tires at abut 37psi (that was the temp when i stopped for gas right before the racing after a 30 min highway drive). maybe running at 34 might launch better?

Dziner82

also...
with a half tank of gas and me in the car the weight was 3550 lbs.

dls55amg

interesting to learn what the c43 does at the dragstrip,even tho just daily driving the c43 feels faster ,have you had her to gingerman yet?

Dziner82

i was at gingerman about 8 weeks ago now. the car felt quite good out there! it felt a lot more balanced than it does at autocross. i got about 60 laps in that day. though i never really nailed the transition between turns 8 and 9.

also that day i found out i needed to upgrade my brake pads and my front tires were toasted, i think they were crap tires but the heat definitely got to them. i had a separate post about that. but i hear form others that Gingerman is really bad on tires.

i have another track day coming up at Grattan Raceway as well in 2 weeks im quite looking forward to.

suicidal4life

Reaction time is not reflected in your 1/4 mile time. The clock doesn't start until you leave the beams. In this youtube vid you can see blackbenzz waiting about 2 seconds after the green light, making sure his launch RPM is correct, before leaving and he still runs a 10.7

Dziner82

i thought i had heard that before, but i think i got lost in all of the numbers on the time slips there.

by the time you stage you really dont have much time to build revs to launch properly. i tried to catch the light every time so i barely could watch my rpms, i think near my later runs i was launching at around 3000 rpms?

also, most of the time i approached the start in first then bumped it into 3rd before the launch. shifting it manually didnt work too well since if i didnt nail the timing perfectly it would just hit the rev limiter.

I may look more into this ECU reset that people claim makes a ton of difference the next time i go to the strip for potentially some quicker shifts.

503C43 ////AMG

If you want to see the best 1/4 mile time you can get forget the reaction time. Stage and then focus on getting the best launch possible. Hold the brake and rev to around 1,800 RPM and hold it there. Once you are ready to launch let the brake off and slowly roll into the throttle, do not slam the pedal down. I would keep it in 4th gear and make sure you turned the ESP off.

Sulaco

This is one reason you never see anyone racing a w202. Drag racing is just not in their blood.

Dziner82

i probably launched around there a couple times, though i may not have been as smooth with the throttle delivery, will focus on it next time.

i avoided leaving it in 4th just to be sure the car would not risk the 3-4 shift during the run, even though i think theres another 8-10 mph left in third.

Dziner82

haha, though i agree, i think its fair to say you never see anyone doing much of anything in a 202 AMG.

carshows, never seen one
autocross, never seen one
track days, never seen one
drag strip, never seen one
driving to work, never seen one

just saying

99CEEFOURTHREE

W202 AMG best kept secret out there

Sulaco

Yep. Though I don't know if it's lack of respect or just lack of knowledge. C36/43 just seems completely lost to history for some reason.

Though my wife's step-dad is a huge GM/Pontiac fan, he has nothing but praise for my old C43. Says it's one of the coolest, toughest old Benzes he's ever seen, and it's almost completely stock.

ECTurboGSX

I would drop your tire pressures in the rear. Mid to low 20's max. Running that high of a PSI will reduce your contact patch which is no good for hooking up off of the line. Haven't run the AMG down a drag strip, but my old car went 13.5 @ 97.5 mph with a 1.79 60'. Different animals, but shows what can happen with better grip. I think you could probably get into the very low 14's with a good tire setup out back.

Dziner82

took the car out to the strip again a couple weeks ago. i have Bridgestone RE-11 tires now and was able to get a bit faster, best run was a 14.4, 98-99 mph trap speeds on all of my runs.

Sulaco

man, my C43 is my all time favorite car, and I love it immensely

but it's pretty embarassing that it would struggle to beat a stock altima v6 at the strip.

Dziner82

Yea its sad. Though can't always go by quoted 1/4 mile times, lots of variables at the strip so it probably would still beat the altima.... I hope, haha.
The car is really strong in 3rd, pulls on a lot of cars but just can't get good 60' times or 1/8th mile in it. Think best 60' times were 2.2 and up. And that's with warm sticky tires and pretty good launches.

silence

what's up with the person in here who thinks these cars aren't made for a drag strip?

ECTurboGSX

Part of the problem is that sticky tires like the RE-11 are built to do cornering well and have pretty stiff sidewalls, which is not good for drag racing. If the traps are in the 98 to 99 mph range, it should be able to run a high 13 to 14 flat on drag radials. Just depends whether a better quarter time is worth the investment.

Dziner82

agreed, after the 2-3 shift the car pulls hard. but of course drag radials will greatly increase the times especially in a car with any real power. the car hooked up quite well, the 3-4/10th improvement was all due to the RE-11's, the weather was very similar to the first time i took the car out. its not like the stiff walls of the re-11's caused major spinouts at launch.

its just the way this car is geared that hurts it in the 1/4 i think. as discussed in many other threads here there is just really no excuse for a car with the power and weight that a C43 has runs that slow of a 1/4 mile time. shift times of the automatic probably account for 2/10ts vs great shifts in a manual or just a faster shifting auto, but then also the gearing i think has something to do with it as well, but im not an expert there.

Sulaco

ding ding! you're exactly right.

running gear in the diff is FAR too tall, period. However, that same tall gearing is solely responsible for the car's uncanny ability to put power to the ground on the interstate. Pretty much anything above 35 MPH and the C43 will perform as though it has more than 300hp. But 0-35 and it's the opposite. It's a trade off, and I really don't mind it. I like my high MPG and long-distance comfort. It's a big part of what makes it such a comfortable and practical daily driver.

Dziner82

yea i love the car for its individual characteristics, both good and bad as you mentioned. and in my opinion its one of the most well designed cars of all time, especially from the late 90's. might not be the most inspiring or innovative, but that is not what defines truly GOOD design, but also nothing "wrong" or weird abut the design either, just timeless.

that being said its just a bummer because i bought the car as a hobby/enthusiast car that i use 90% for track days or autocross. now nobody in the world would recommend that this car was meant for those things, and i didnt think it was meant for that either, but i just use it as a great way to really enjoy the car. Just a shame that the gearing affects it so much at the strip and the front biased weight distribution paired with skinny front tires hampers it even moreso on the track , so its quite easy to "max out" this car from a drivers perspective.

That being said it is an AMAZING car for daily driving or road trips, but thats not its purpose in my stable

still debating if the 5.4 swap will help alleviate these issues for me or if it will just be the same with more power. Of course the extra power will be a big gain at the strip but dont think it will change the front end/handling issues at the track.

Nachtsturm

On your 60 foots, does the C43 really have that hard of a time getting out of the hole?

I was cutting 1.9 in my W209 CLK55 on all seasons(Haven't been back in almost 2 years). Also was able to cut 1.9s in my friends C55 at the track. I do remember my W208 having a harder time hooking, I think 60' were in the 2.1 range, with a few 2.0s.

Here is a vid of me, in my friends C55.

Dziner82

it just seems to be the weakest point of the runs. i have to get my new timeslips and compare with the old and really look at the data, i have 3 of the new slips but a couple of my better runs are probably in a stack of papers or in pants pocket somewhere.
sticky tires on the newer runs so should be able to see how much that made a difference.

but there is about a 80ft/lb of torque difference between 55cars and C43 that would make a big differene in 60' times. also would have to compare the gearing of those 2 cars to better understand as well, esp first gear. i would fully expect the 55 cars to be faster there as they are also 6-8/10th faster in the quarter overall, so it makes sense.

Nachtsturm

I was also able to cut 2.0s with my 2004 Crossfire. That car was bear to launch. Most intrusive traction control I ever dealt with. Best I was able to do with that car was high 14's (stock)

My CLK55's issue was keeping the wheel spin down. My XF was keeping it from bogging, but not to aggressive to trigger the T/C. (Even with it turned off)

Are you just spinning off the line or bogging?

I've never driven a C43, but drove a E430 back in the day. The E430 was able to light the tires just from stomping it, I assume a C43 can do the same.

Dziner82

here is a vid my buddy just sent me from that night, i THINK this was the fastest run, i remember my fastest trun came against this car that was running 11's so it was bittersweet, haha.

the car inst bogging, if i launch with any more revs it will spin too much. I have about 16 runs in the strip under my belt, 5-6 this night with the new tires.

i dont think this car is capable of uner 2.0second 60' times IMO. maybe with slicks and soft rear shock setup etc. the gearing in first i dont think will get it there. anything under 2.0 60' is pretty darn quick out of the gate. unless you are in a FWD honda or something you arent gonna get under 2.0 in the 60" and then not break 14.4 in the quarter.
awd subarus and lancers easily do sub 2.0 and high power musclecars, but they dont have the gearing issue, or if they do they have enough power to push through it.

everything that is being thrown out as being able to do 2.0 or under are all cars wtih at least 40 more hp/tq and at least 4/10ths faster in the overall 1/4 mile. so i dont see how anyone is expecting this car to run 14.4 with a sub 2.0 60 foot time considering how strong it is on the top end. if it was possible for this car to do 2,0 it would be able to go faster than 14.4 in the quarter.

not arguing just discussing.