dremorg

A question fellas. How much extra power do you think can be extracted out of the C450 maybe with just a tune. It comes with 367 hp...400 maybe? Thinking about it as a DD because of the all wheel drive especially with these NY winters. That would be more than enough power for me.

amanuuh

BMS got their hands on a C400 and he said the tune should safely add 40-50hp on that car. So i do see the C450 getting low 400s

tipsyhemi

is it wrong and I'm genuinely curious about the depreciation of your jaguar?

fantastic car, great exhaust, but is it still like all depreciating jaguars?

dremorg

The brand has done a complete 180. Jag is on the map once again...doing very well. I for one don't buy cars worried about depreciation. I buy them because of the style, performance and the uniqueness. You won't see them in everyone's neighborhood, that's for sure.

MB Dave

It depends on how the power bump is achieved in the c450, if the 450 has bigger turbo's rather then it might be able to achieve something like that. However if the power bump is just pure software then there wont be much room for improvement.

Tjdehya

More than likely the C450 will top out at the same power that the C400 does.
I believe the C450 engine is just a tuned C400.

Will617

Here is some info


http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...ts-in-detroit/

amanuuh

Yeah it's just a tuned version. No bigger turbos.

Gizmo AMG

I wouldn't underestimate the power potential. 100+ wheel HP is considered a mild tune on the BMW 335i. Even without upgrading to a single large turbo I see mid 400s.

JPMBenz

I've seen the car up close and personal. It's very sleek looking. The car was tuned by AMG. It's not like a BMW M Sport with badging. The exhaust, suspensions, transmission all have been tweeked by the AMG Team. It will be a hot car and a strong competitor to the S4.

rediesel

This topic should be in the regular W205 section, not the C63 section.

trueblue_ips

Rediesel, not that old chestnut again. MB themselves say the C450 is a true AMG, so if they say it's a true AMG, who are we to argue.

I created a thread previously saying that someone should create a new sub forum under AMG for the c450. A lot of people will be looking under the AMG forum for c450 related advice.

PeterUbers

I love speculation threads like this

And I love how the op thinks he'll get more dialogue on this here in the amg forum vs the non amg w205 forum where the c400 (same engine as c450 true-amg) and tuning has been talked to death with actual vendors and tuners chiming in with actual realistic goals for power output, and also where on this amg forum ...people mostly feel burned by amg for succumbing to industrial competition when they created the true-amg c450

jrcart

You are exactly right. The C450 is nothing more than a C400 with a hotter tune out of the factory. The motor hardware and compenents are identical from one to the other.

jrcart

AMEN...spot on post!

jrcart

No, no, no and no!!! The C450 is not a Real AMG and AMG thmeselves even said so. owning a C450 will not get you access into the AMG PRivate Lounge, it will not get you a complimentary addmision into the AMG Driving Academy. Plain and simple it is NOT an AMG.

You keep preaching that it is a real AMG but just deal with it bro you ordered haf an AMG or should I call it an amg?

trueblue_ips

Jrcart, MERCEDES say it is an AMG. And they should know!
If Mercedes say it is, then it is. Simples! I don't know why you have a problem with this. MB produce a whole range of AMG cars and this sits between the CLA 45 and the C63.

MB Dave

Jcart, your cars are fantastic!

kuba.95

MBUSA says that it's an AMG for marketing BS. Actual Mercedes calls it a AMG Sport, and AMG themselves clearly stated that the C450 is in no way a AMG. So if MB, and AMG say that it's not a AMG then it's not a AMG. MBUSA can market it as a C450 "AMG" for all the wannabe posers but it still doesn't change the fact that in not a AMG in any way.

trueblue_ips

Kuba, MB are saying it is an AMG. ON their website their describe the c450 as "True AMG".

Newzchspy

Whoa there? So any guy who buys a C450 is a poseur?? So not fair (as if life's fair huh???). Its simply an alternative to the CLA and the C63 perhaps, BUT no one is truly calling it an AMG. It just has an appearance package and a few engine tweaks. If I saw one going down the road, I certainly would NOT say the guys a poseur simply because he got a C450 and in fact, would give a thumbs UP because he got a C450 and the AWD and the great interior. Beats getting a BMW 3 series and calling it an M car I suppose??

I think everyone gets BUTT HURT when the poseurs turn the standard car into an AMG with no reasonable basis for doing so. I recall a fellow forum member taking a AWD C class (IIRC C320 4 Matic) and putting an tuned C32 engine in it and it was a rocket ( I drove it). It had an AMG engine glommed onto an 4 Matic C class? Does that make it an AMG? It was stealthy and fast!!

kuba.95

MBUSA isn't MB fully. If they were saying or calling it a AMG then the car would have AMG badging on the rear. It would also be called a AMG not "AMG Sport", and it would only have two numbers after the letter in it's name. So it's clearly not a AMG in any way. Won't continue arguing this further with a obvious troll since those facts plus what AMG themselves said makes it clear that the C450 isn't a AMG in any way and never will be.

kuba.95

No. I'm not saying the C450 is for posers. I clearly said that " MBUSA can market it as a C450 "AMG" for all the wannabe posers". Meaning that MBUSA is marketing it as a "real AMG' even though it's called a C450 AMG Sport to attract all the wannabe posers out there.

C280 Sport

C450 "AMG" is not a real AMG... AMG is 2 numbers, hand made engine from the AMG factory along with everything else that goes with it. No engine= no badge.

Newzchspy

SO, in light of what you said, is every guy who buys a C450 4Matic with the "AMG SPORT" a poseur?? What if some guy throws a C63 S engine in there?? (Just sayin)..........

What if he takes off those lil AMG badges on the vehicle??? IS it deposeured???