SLOW C240

4.0 TT should be a great platform for tuners to work with.

mcorliss

Perhaps, but if it's like the 204, will be very difficult to put all that power to the ground in the corners anyway. I love power, but realizing unless it's 4Matic, it's wasted. I had RWD 2011 E63, and now have a 2014 E63S, and the difference is shocking.

unagi1

no.

yes. It is harder to drift a 4MATIC than a w211 e55

g-f

The problem will be if transmission will be able to handle the power? Because I'm sure tuners will have some fun getting a lot more power out of that engine.

AV1

550+ RWHP Easily - just look at the output of the similar component 2.0ltr in the A and CLA45's and other similar displacement V8 engines out there that have been tuned.


Torque output will be the limiting factor for the transmission and FI engines always produce massive torque compared to NA.


From literature I've read the MCT for the 205 series C63's has been beefed up internally so it's torque handling will be over and above the 204 series MCT's

JPMBenz

I bet to stock it's over 500 to the wheels. Most of the AMG engines are very underrated.

TTA850

Coming from a 204 C63 I couldn't agree more, and drifting the E63 S I think is more fun as you have to actually try to do it where in the C63 its was a constant battle trying not to be sideways.

mcorliss

I love my E63S but have debated downgrading to a smaller chassis (205 or M3) but after getting spoiled by my car, it might be pretty tough to be happy with less. The only flaws I have noticed is laggy shifting and no folding mirrors. Other than that, it's damn near perfect for me.

I test drove a M3 recently and it was really nice but a definite step down in many regards. Curious how the C63S will measure up...

CarHopper

You really cannot compare the e63s to the c63. I mean you can, but why? One has an extra 1.5 liters, 2 additional wheels that get power, and costs 10's of thousands more.

Yes, an E63s will get off the line faster with the awd. But the rwd and less weight can be a champion on highway pulls. Just take even a 2012 rwd e63 and put it up against the 14+. I bet the 12 wins on the highway because it weighs less.

Back to how the thread started though. This car will tune nicely up in the 500's. AMG engineers flat out said it is basically 2 CLA45 motors put together, so do the math. Some have alluded to traction issues which can be solved with wider tires, tire types, suspension upgrades, whatever. The car is going to be pretty fast for a DD sedan.

MB Dave

AMG's have similar characteristics and share lots of parts across the line. They maybe different cars but lots of KEY components are shared

CarHopper

Between the E63S and w205 C63 tell me what is shared.

5.5tt vs 4.0tt...
AWD vs RWD...
Luxury cruiser vs entry c-class
Different trannies

So what KEY components are shared between them? I get it, they are AMG's and both are going to stand out against the COMPETITION in their own way.

Hell, the new GT-S has more in common with the C63 than the E63.

TTA850

They are different but the prices can get very close and that's with the 204 model - I'm sure the 205 C63 will follow suit of the standard C class and be slightly more expensive as the new C300 starts about $4k more than the old C300. The C class is no longer entry level.

That said my C63 was $85k, an E63 starts at $93k and comes standard with things that were not even an option on the 204 and a few still not available on the 205. When a C63 is pushing $90k an E63 doesn't seem so far off.

That said I do miss the smaller feel too, was just reading up on the F-Type R coming with AWD for 2016 - gorgeous 550hp supercharged with AWD grip, CCB, and oh that sound for me I'm thinking either that or a 991 Turbo

CarHopper

You're comparing fully loaded and base models with those prices. A c-class is still entry level. Just because the cla is in play now doesn't mean the c-class has become "more" luxurious or less entry level. Is the bmw 3-series entry level? Yes.

Then you go into comparing coupes? Confused.

Just go into the w204 c63 forum and look how many threads there are for creeks, moans, groans, and chinsy type finishings. That doesn't come in an e-class.

But I digress, the new c63 is going to be one hell of a car. It isn't going to be the best or fastest sedan on the road but it'll be a great car that will tune over 500whp

TTA850

For me it's simple a fully loaded C63 has almost as much equipment as a base E63, and I had a C63 coupe. I look at cars around the price of what I'm shopping, if I'm going to spend $85-90k then $100k isn't that far off and might get you much more car. If your budget is stretched at $85-90k then maybe there are better options in a slightly lower price range. And yes I do think the new C-class has become more luxurious - have you driven one yet?

But yes it is going to be one hell of a car, I can't wait to see it get into some tuners hands, crank up the boost, remove torque limitations, and hit some tracks to see what it will do. If the 45 series and 5.5 bi-turbo tells us anything there should be a substantial amount of power left untapped. Just how much will be interesting as it has more compression than the 45 engines (10.5 compared to 8.6) so it cannot run as much boost as the 45 and it already runs more boost than the some 5.5 do stock (1.2 compared to 1.0-1.3 depending on model).

CarHopper

^ I totally agree. An extra $10k towards an already $80k purchase should be meaningless.

I have a 13 C63 and have not driven the new c-class. I love my car, and it is very nice and more luxurious than most of what is on the road. But as far as mercedes standards are concerned, to me it is entry level. I'm just simply saying that you really have to stretch if you want to compare the c and e classes.

Tjdehya

I disagree.
I believe that the interior of the W205 outclasses the W212.
It is quite obvious that the W213 will also move up a notch, but as of today it is debatable that the W205's interior is better than the W212's.
And those who don't agree that it is better will at least admit that it is not a "stretch" but very close.

CarHopper

I agree, and there is your stretch. Because everything else is different. Also, the 2015+ e63 interior is quite awesome as well.

But for reasons I mentioned above (4.0 vs 5.5, trannies, awd vs rwd, and intended use) the cars aren't comparable. I don't see how it is that hard to see.

Would you compare an e class to a 3 series or an s4? Because that is what the c63 is "compared to"

3 series/ a/s4 / c-class
5 series / a6/s6 / e-class

Or am I crazy?

Will617

Nop. I don't think you are crazy and I am sure most of us agree with you.
I visited my dealer recently and sat in a new C400 and was instantly impressed with the interior. It without any doubt is a big step up from my current c350.
I also sat in a E550 coupe a couple of months ago and that is just a different car altogether. Just more refined from the second you sit down. It had real soft leather seats and the dash design I thought was stunning. Has the new C class narrowed the gap? Absolutely and one of the reasons why I want the new c63s because I believe it represents good value.

TTA850

The E class coupe is built on the C class platform and shares many parts with the C class like the seats, dash, and instruments - first time I was in one I remember thinking it was a dressed up version of my C63's interior. No it's not exactly the same but close enough that I couldn't get past it, though I'd still buy the E coupe if they ever do an AMG version

CarHopper

I kept thinking an e-coupe amg would be awesome. However, with the s-class coupe now I doubt it is even a thought.

MB Dave

They used to share the 63 motor and they used to both be rwd and they both had problem putting down power. Now the new 4.0T has more torque than the old one and small tires so it will likely have trouble putting down all that power.

CeSixtyThree

I wouldn't compare 205 with 204 regarding putting down the torque on street for several reason and one of them is the C63S uses electronic differential borrowed from SLS "Black Series"


Matter of fact, I've seen all the testing video of C63 on the track and It was pretty solid on corners if you ask me.

JPMBenz

It's extremely fun to drive around the corners. There is a big difference between the two diff's.

PeterUbers

I love these passive aggressive pissing match threads

Will617

I don't mind the car to be a lil tail happy. Reminds me of a happy pooch.