superlubricity

Enough already. It's not about tuners. We're discussing header designs and their performance. If it never happens, we'll never know.

c32AMG-DTM

I'd disagree with this excerpt of your post - which also appears to be the foundation of your further comments.

Fairly experienced and dedicated "racers" on this forum use currently, or have used previously, headers from MKB, Kleemann, RENNtech, MHP, and MBH... maybe some others I'm forgetting as well. So the excerpt above is incorrect, IMHO.

superlubricity

Let's talk in the Spring. Perhaps MBH and MHP would fund this little project.

Even Money

I'll be your huckleberry, but I might have some cams by then......

RStevens63

Yes it will remain a mystery who makes the best products for these cars as long as people continue to ignore the facts. I know you're trying to be objective but there's a landslide of data out there.

We have seen a Kleemann tuned car run in FL with MHP headers and DRs with ETs and Traps on par with what Petro ran with catless LTs&Mids, Eurocharged ECU, DRs, and additionally a proven airbox in air that was better by 2000' DA. We have also seen mthis's car run 11.19@125.5 in worse air without airboxes vs Petro.

While it's not the single variable test you want, it's as close as we have and still gives us quality info.

Personally I would love to see someone that makes a Tri-Y comp you a set of headers if even just to test with vs your 4 into 1s. Let's make it happen.

RStevens63

Thank you. It's just crazy to assume only MHP customers race. Now posting those results, may be a different story.

PetroC63

Sounds like a plan to me.

RStevens63

Two willing owners, both race, sounds great to me.

PetroC63

Like super, I'm all about data and testing.

Have someone send me a set of MHP headers and mids and I'll make
it happen.

If the MHP headers make more power, I'll gladly pay for and keep them.

RStevens63

This post highlights as much as any other that racers are racers!

dodger63

I would be more then happy to test it out I already own one of the setups.. If mbh would like to step up and send out a test unit I would donate my time and effort to test these 2 products at the track

dodger63

Guys this would have to be a same day race which of u installed your own headers using only floor jacks and lying on the ground I no I did?

superlubricity

Like conditions (even corrected results) from the same track across many runs within a narrow data range should provide enough directional data.

dodger63

I don't no how much of that correction stuff I believe in.. Just seems like to many variables that sometimes can't be corrected

superlubricity

updated the Kleemann manifold photo.

clktoc63

[QUOTE=superlubricity;4449479]I've spent some time cleaning up this thread:

1. Pricing discussion and related posts have been removed.
2. Personal/irrelevant content has been removed.
QUOTE]

Super, I'm echoing the sentiments on a great thread. Kudos!

I'm learning quite a bit. As I'm catching up, why was the pricing discussion removed? There are many challenges thrown out to the technical build and design (cheater welds, types of stainless, wall thickness, etc.) that has direct implications to price. In fact, I would like to think that savvy vendors will evaluate the market and consider their target price point during design and manufacture. If Vendor A offers a $2k header that has cheater welds and lesser wall thickness, that may be okay when compared to Vendor B who has perfect welds, but a $10k price.

Price is a key component and one of the most contentious issues. The folks most interested in this thread, and perhaps the ones with the most to gain, are us guys who haven't bought our headers yet.

I'm afraid that removing the cost component simply diminishes the thread to what is the best design and build regardless of cost...which is an interesting topic, but becomes purely theoretical which won't do us as much good.

Did I miss any good stuff on the cost piece that was removed??

Thanks again for a great thread.

superlubricity

All you missed out on was this -> https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...header+pricing

And after a few pages you'll see why I didn't want any of that in this thread. Kinda sad that we can't just have a civil conversation.

Anyhow, pricing on all of these systems can be found by reaching out to the manufacturers of the products or the vendors that sell them.

clktoc63

Sad indeed. Thanks for the reply. I suppose I'll have to evaluate all of the great stuff on the thread, then read other threads for published pricing info, then reach out to each vendor for current pricing, then put it all together and evaluate. At that point I'll be up to date on the theoretics and know who is insulting who. Most importantly, I'll probably be just ignorant enough to make a bad decision.

dodger63

Just decide exactly what you want from them..

Sincity

VRP

superlubricity

Got it.

yazid

SL: thanks for starting this thread and sharing the info and pics to all.

All comments posted here from other members are well valued which includes the debate we have.

Now the question is, Full Length LTH or Full Length Try-Y's??? Its personal preference in the end..

c32AMG-DTM

When you say "LTH" - you mean 4-1? LTH can apply to 4-1 or Tri-Y. MHP is an example of a full length 4-1 long tube header; evosport is an example of a full length Tri Y long tube header.

John2011

Great thread!

superlubricity

Gintani Full-length Tri-Y added.