To those of you moving to 2012's...
12-02-2011, 05:30 PM
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To those of you moving to 2012's...
What are some noticeable conveniences/differences between the 08-11 models versus the 2012's? I dont mean facelift, different wheels, etc...I mean what features are you finding are more convenient and useful? Specifically technology/feature/convenience related.
IE:
Bluetooth audio to stream pandora
Better Nav or better traffic
Rides smoother
Transmission shifts quicker (this one I know for sure after test driving a coupe)
etc etc.
Thinking of moving to the 2012 and frankly it seems MB is always a year or two behind others in terms of technology/convenience...want to know where that line is drawn. BMW for example syncs iPhone apps into the car, so you can access apps directly from the idrive. Dont think we have this stuff, but what do we have that you are finding to be cool? If you came from an 08-11, what do you notice is different?
IE:
Bluetooth audio to stream pandora
Better Nav or better traffic
Rides smoother
Transmission shifts quicker (this one I know for sure after test driving a coupe)
etc etc.
Thinking of moving to the 2012 and frankly it seems MB is always a year or two behind others in terms of technology/convenience...want to know where that line is drawn. BMW for example syncs iPhone apps into the car, so you can access apps directly from the idrive. Dont think we have this stuff, but what do we have that you are finding to be cool? If you came from an 08-11, what do you notice is different?
12-04-2011, 08:42 PM
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To be honest from a utility/ease-of-use perspective, not much has changed.
As you noted, the transmission totally changes the level of driver engagement, but otherwise, the most notable changes are in the infotainment/telematics...the interface/update on the nav system is awesome, and bluetooth really makes it usable to the extent that it's user friendly and non-frustrating.
Beyond that, I guess you could say that the new screen in the main cluster improves ease of use, as it's a lot clearer, cleaner and consequently engaging.
Otherwise, as you noted in your first post, the biggest change to the emotional aspect of the car is the refresh on the exterior and interior...totally different beast.
Hope this gives you the perspective that you were looking for.
As you noted, the transmission totally changes the level of driver engagement, but otherwise, the most notable changes are in the infotainment/telematics...the interface/update on the nav system is awesome, and bluetooth really makes it usable to the extent that it's user friendly and non-frustrating.
Beyond that, I guess you could say that the new screen in the main cluster improves ease of use, as it's a lot clearer, cleaner and consequently engaging.
Otherwise, as you noted in your first post, the biggest change to the emotional aspect of the car is the refresh on the exterior and interior...totally different beast.
Hope this gives you the perspective that you were looking for.
12-04-2011, 10:22 PM
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Transmission: Much smoother and feels like more power is getting strait to the ground.
Engine: Feels just as strong as my eurocharged/kleeman set up on my 2011 (of course i have the p31 now though....get the p31, you wont regret it)
Engine note: Not as loud as my old car but I was getting tired of the extra noise anyway.
Steering Feel: Much improved. Feels much more precise. Now I now what all those M3 guys are talking about. More confidence.
Suspension: Feels more planted and soaks of ruff pavement much better than the previous model. Feels like you have a set of KW v3s on there.
Seats: Much more livable. They loosened up the grip a bit so you snug into the seat alot more comfortably.
Dash: Incredible improvement. Much more user friendly and looks alot less cheap.
I have the coupe and i cannot fit my golf clubs in the trunk
get lots of compliments from all walks of life....the red calipers really attract onlookers.
i personally like the looks alot better but thats a matter of opinion.
Engine: Feels just as strong as my eurocharged/kleeman set up on my 2011 (of course i have the p31 now though....get the p31, you wont regret it)
Engine note: Not as loud as my old car but I was getting tired of the extra noise anyway.
Steering Feel: Much improved. Feels much more precise. Now I now what all those M3 guys are talking about. More confidence.
Suspension: Feels more planted and soaks of ruff pavement much better than the previous model. Feels like you have a set of KW v3s on there.
Seats: Much more livable. They loosened up the grip a bit so you snug into the seat alot more comfortably.
Dash: Incredible improvement. Much more user friendly and looks alot less cheap.
I have the coupe and i cannot fit my golf clubs in the trunk
get lots of compliments from all walks of life....the red calipers really attract onlookers.
i personally like the looks alot better but thats a matter of opinion.
12-05-2011, 03:32 AM
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MBZ seems to make full step improvements and half step improvements in the C class. The C36 made a half step jump to the C43, then a full step jump to the C32 followed by a half step jump to the C55. A full step jump to the 08-11 C63 and a half step jump to the 2012 model. All the cars are better than their predecessors. If money was no object I'd just continue to get the lastest model. My fear is one day the improvements are going to stop as CAFE and smog regs continue to make it harder to yield more performance. I think we are living in the last golden age of automotive performance (the last one ran from 1965 to 1970).
12-05-2011, 07:09 PM
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This helps, thanks folks.
What specifically about the interface/nav/multimedia is so different, and whats different about the bluetooth besides it now can stream audio?
What specifically about the interface/nav/multimedia is so different, and whats different about the bluetooth besides it now can stream audio?
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12-05-2011, 07:12 PM
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As far as interior goes, the car is much better. The interior plastics have been dramatically improved, the leather feels great, the car feels so tight and well built. I'd go as far to say that it's pretty damn close to Porsche quality.
12-05-2011, 08:24 PM
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how much quicker are the transmission shifts? also, will it allow a quick 2 step downshift? the tranny now requires me to hold the - button to downshift, but it may drop 3 gears when i just want to have it go down 2.
12-05-2011, 08:31 PM
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2.)The new MCT transmission has the ability to double clutch downshift.
12-05-2011, 08:39 PM
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how much quicker are the transmission shifts? also, will it allow a quick 2 step downshift? the tranny now requires me to hold the - button to downshift, but it may drop 3 gears when i just want to have it go down 2.
12-05-2011, 11:28 PM
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My only other experience with a dual cluth tranny was in my wifes GTI and that allowed me to double tap the paddle and down gear for each tap but from my few tests that doesn't seem to be the case with the MCT tranny but maybe I am doing something wrong - still trying to get use to the MCT as I have always driven a manual gearbox.
12-05-2011, 11:29 PM
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I just got my coupe and my clubs fit in just fine! I have an OGIO ultralight cart bag. I just have to pull out the driver and lay it in over the top. I was worried that I would have to fold down the rear seat, but no problem!
12-05-2011, 11:34 PM
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I have to test mine a bit more but I tried to double tap the paddle and it only registered down 1 gear, if I hold it down it does go down a few gears but not sure how many. I haven't really been able to test this thing that much as I am still stuck breaking mine in and not going above 4000 rpm which is very difficult I must say.
My only other experience with a dual cluth tranny was in my wifes GTI and that allowed me to double tap the paddle and down gear for each tap but from my few tests that doesn't seem to be the case with the MCT tranny but maybe I am doing something wrong - still trying to get use to the MCT as I have always driven a manual gearbox.
My only other experience with a dual cluth tranny was in my wifes GTI and that allowed me to double tap the paddle and down gear for each tap but from my few tests that doesn't seem to be the case with the MCT tranny but maybe I am doing something wrong - still trying to get use to the MCT as I have always driven a manual gearbox.
it sucks when u don't want WOT one freeways, just 70% for passing or for merging.
12-05-2011, 11:36 PM
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12-05-2011, 11:39 PM
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I have to test mine a bit more but I tried to double tap the paddle and it only registered down 1 gear, if I hold it down it does go down a few gears but not sure how many. I haven't really been able to test this thing that much as I am still stuck breaking mine in and not going above 4000 rpm which is very difficult I must say.
My only other experience with a dual cluth tranny was in my wifes GTI and that allowed me to double tap the paddle and down gear for each tap but from my few tests that doesn't seem to be the case with the MCT tranny but maybe I am doing something wrong - still trying to get use to the MCT as I have always driven a manual gearbox.
My only other experience with a dual cluth tranny was in my wifes GTI and that allowed me to double tap the paddle and down gear for each tap but from my few tests that doesn't seem to be the case with the MCT tranny but maybe I am doing something wrong - still trying to get use to the MCT as I have always driven a manual gearbox.
12-06-2011, 01:10 AM
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Mercedes-AMG developed the 7-speed MCT "Multi Clutch Technology" planetary semi-automatic transmission.
The MCT transmission is essentially the 7G-Tronic automatic transmission without a torque converter. Instead of a torque converter, it uses a compact wet startup clutch to launch the car from a stop, and also supports computer-controlled double declutching. The MCT (Multi-Clutch Technology) acronym refers to a planetary (automatic) transmission’s multiple clutches and bands for each gear.[4]
The MCT is fitted with four drive modes: “C” (Comfort), “S” (Sport), “S+” (Sport plus) and “M” (Manual) and boasts 100 millisecond shifts in "M" mode. MCT-equipped cars are also fitted with the new AMG DRIVE UNIT with innovative Race Start function. The AMG DRIVE UNIT is the central control unit for the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission and all driving dynamics functions. The driver can change gears either using the selector lever, or by nudging the steering-wheel shift paddles. The new Race start Function is a launch control system which enables the driver to call on maximum acceleration, while ensuring optimum traction of the driven wheels.
It is available on the 2009 SL 63 AMG and E63 AMG, and will be used for the 2011 S63 AMG and CL63 AMG, and the 2012 CLS63 AMG and C63 AMG.
The MCT transmission is essentially the 7G-Tronic automatic transmission without a torque converter. Instead of a torque converter, it uses a compact wet startup clutch to launch the car from a stop, and also supports computer-controlled double declutching. The MCT (Multi-Clutch Technology) acronym refers to a planetary (automatic) transmission’s multiple clutches and bands for each gear.[4]
The MCT is fitted with four drive modes: “C” (Comfort), “S” (Sport), “S+” (Sport plus) and “M” (Manual) and boasts 100 millisecond shifts in "M" mode. MCT-equipped cars are also fitted with the new AMG DRIVE UNIT with innovative Race Start function. The AMG DRIVE UNIT is the central control unit for the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission and all driving dynamics functions. The driver can change gears either using the selector lever, or by nudging the steering-wheel shift paddles. The new Race start Function is a launch control system which enables the driver to call on maximum acceleration, while ensuring optimum traction of the driven wheels.
It is available on the 2009 SL 63 AMG and E63 AMG, and will be used for the 2011 S63 AMG and CL63 AMG, and the 2012 CLS63 AMG and C63 AMG.
The lag you get may just be the cars computer lagging.
12-06-2011, 01:25 AM
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12-06-2011, 12:27 PM
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And just so we don't get our terms all mixed up, "double clutching" is more related to rev-matching than it is to grabbing 2 gears on the downshift.
Double-clicking the left paddle on my 335i was fun but doing the "hold and then stomp the loud pedal" on the C63 is brutally sublime.
Double-clicking the left paddle on my 335i was fun but doing the "hold and then stomp the loud pedal" on the C63 is brutally sublime.
12-06-2011, 04:08 PM
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And just so we don't get our terms all mixed up, "double clutching" is more related to rev-matching than it is to grabbing 2 gears on the downshift.
Double-clicking the left paddle on my 335i was fun but doing the "hold and then stomp the loud pedal" on the C63 is brutally sublime.
Double-clicking the left paddle on my 335i was fun but doing the "hold and then stomp the loud pedal" on the C63 is brutally sublime.
I guess you just need to learn the way the tranny computer thinks and it works flawlessly, hope that helps
