BlownRT10

So i was on American Racing Headers website today and noticed they had a few new additions to their product line. One of them being a set of 1-7/8” long tube primaries with 200 cell HF cats and X pipe for $2990. Does anyone have any experience with them? I know they make really good stuff for Vipers, Vette's ...... etc in the domestic business but not to sure about the international breeds. Im sure the quality is going to be top notch but wanted to get you guys opinion. Thanks!!

http://www.americanracingheaders.com...3%20CLS63.html

Sincity

That is a great price for what you get. But it says E/CLS. I thought Andy @ MHP posted in another thread that he is suing them for copyright infringement?

linjy2

I called them awhile back like in June 2012. The owner said they have plans to make LTH for the C63 but just haven't got around to it yet.

Which probably means they won't make it.

b16

Those look nice! Wish they made it for C63.

And LOL @ MHP suing them for copyright.

flomofo

They've been making LTH's for Pontiac G8's for awhile as well. They are top notch from what I have heard.

SonnyakaPig

I had a set on one of my cars back in 2010. They are definitely an amazing manufacturer. In the LS world, they are considered some of the best so I imagine there quality will be equally impressive for our engines.

BlownRT10

I like thw quality of ARH. It will be interesting to see what shakes out with MBH sueing them. But i would like to see ARH come out with a set of Headers for the C.

MDiau

I believe someone said mhp not mbh

BlownRT10

My apologies, thank you for the correction!!

Sincity

I hope they produce it for the C at that price or lower. I would imagine that the market for the C would be larger than the E/CLS and that may cars are now coming out of warranty.

dodger63

I tried long ago to get them to produce headers i had an appointment to be the r&d car. When i went to drop off car off i was told they were to busy to design headers

Sincity

I remember.

SonnyakaPig

That was probably a mistake on their part. They likely misjudged the marketplace for our cars. Had they moved sooner, they likely could have sold a lot of sets, based on their stellar reputation alone.

Why on earth do they not produce LT's for the C63? Are there really that many E and CLS's that want LT's?

dodger63

At that time with the pricepoint they were talking about it wouldve been a no brainer.. i saw one of the partners a year or do later after i got the mhp setup at pocono raceway. And he came up to me inquiring about the setup and said they should make them... i explained the situation and told him once again how large the market could be.... still nothing

Sincity

Is the MHP suit holding up production on a C version? Any IP attorneys here that can comment on how different a header design has to be before it's not considered an infringement?

I think this is the perfect setup: has CATs for the enviroment and an X for some noise abatement. Pricing isn't too bad either.

SonnyakaPig

Interesting.

SonnyakaPig

Great question. Would be interested to know too.

b16

I doubt there is a statute for IP among a manifold design.

bhamg

A header design can be copyrighted and registered with the Copyright Office? I did not know...

b16

everyone wants to be like apple now..

SonnyakaPig

Here's a response from a lawyer friend of mine that studied IP law in a Master's program after law school (btw, he doesn't practice IP law now, and this isn't a definitive answer, just what he remembers from school):

"I remember from class it's a very high threshold [to get IP protection] because otherwise, it would interfere with the realm of patents. Certain iconic shapes such as coca cola bottle, mickey mouse, etc. are copyrighted -- as is the first public bicycle racks that are outside of parks. But, generally, no, can't get absent unusual circumstances."

BlownRT10

That makes sense... ARH needs to step up and produce those headers.. DANG. I think they would do well in this market..

Sincity

That is what I was thinking. Otherwise, someone must be making a lot of royalties.

ARH-Please produce these for the C.

MACHC5

I have the ARH LT Headers, they are beautiful and make 60 hp and 65 Tq.
In my view "ARH equals Quality".

Jim
MachC5

BlueML99

Hey Machc5, thats way more than the 30hp and 35tq that MBH promises, how do they sound and how much were they?