Even Money

I don't think the E and C axles are the same length. I believe, not 100%, that the C black series has the E axles, so probably what you want anyhow.

Craiger

That's right Easy Money, the C BS uses the E axle which is about +/- 3.2" longer than the C axle. Order that E axle Keith!!

justthebest

*only the rear CBS axle is from the E - the front is a C axle.

G55AMG

Keith
I was wondering, is the C63 BS will be easier to retrofit on the rear since it has the E class axle?

Dads C63

Here is what I found out today. The 2012 C63 BS and the 2012 E63 have the same axles. They even have the same part number. That being the case I would think making the conversion would even easier. I haven't had a chance to put the new carrier on but hopefully in the next couple of days. I do have the "E" axles coming just in case I need them.

Will keep you advised.

justthebest

I'm definitely looking to convert my CBS to CCs if the swap turns out to be that straight-forward.

Thanks again for writing things up so well!

daddyo

Sick job so far!!

Any ballpark on cost for the BBK/rotors?
Is it a significant savings over a Brembo kit?

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Dads C63

Quick update:
Received the new wheel carrier and it fits great!! The only difference is the legs are beefier and longer than the stock unit as you can see below. That being said the axle has to be longer so we got the axle. Its an inch or so longer and it fits like a glove also. The only problem now is that all the rear wheels I have don't fit anymore because the axle extends out further so the offsets are wrong. Oh well, time for new wheels in the rear as well, CRAPP!!









Will hopefully have the new backing plates on and everything test fitted Monday. Have a great weekend!

Looks like the rear conversion will be a success eventually. Good news is that you will get the stronger "E"/"C63BS" rear axles along with new wheel carriers and bearings.

G55AMG

Keith
I working a deal with Movit on a Carbon Ceramic set.
After your done. Maybe we can compare notes on weight saving, performance,etc..

Dads C63

That sounds good.
Depending on the pricing/deals you can cut with your local MB dealer you can do this entire conversion for around $15,000 using all OEM MB parts.
That will include all four CC rotors.
All four new CC Calipers.
Two new rear C63BS axles.
Two new rear wheel carriers.
Two new wheel hubs which give you new rear bearings.
All new pads.

I know its a lot but you are getting great brakes and all MB OEM new parts.

xxGenericSNxx

Why do you have to get new rear wheels exactly?

The C63 BS has the same rear fenders and axle that you purchased, as well as the same rear wheels.

So now, shouldn't everything fit properly without the need to use spacers in the rear? Your whole rear end setup now seems to be the same as a BS...

Or am I missing something?

Dads C63

On the front I did run spacers and leave the existing wheels I had on the front. However, because I needed 12" wide wheels for the rear I had new wheels made with the proper offset so I didn't have to use spacers. Oh well, I really like the new HRE or Rennen wheels that are out.

Mort

LOL

xxGenericSNxx

Oh gotcha, it's because you wanted to run wider wheels out rear.

So **if** you left everything OEM, with an OEM rear C63/E rear axle, OEM BS fenders, and OEM BS rear wheels then it would've been fine, right?

G55AMG

I'll probably be paying more than that but I like Movit kit better.

Dads C63

Okay guys, its official. You can do the rear conversion and its actually easier than it sounds. However, it takes a few more parts. The only other downfall is that the hub extends out approximately 1-3/8" further than our stock hub so you will need new wheels on the rear also.

For the rear you will need:
Left and right calipers, CC rotors, and pads(given )

In addition:
Left and right wheel carriers.
Two rear "E" series axles.
Two rear flanges (part the wheel bolts to)
Rear emergency brake assembly and shoes(both sides are in the package)

The stock wheel carrier unbolts and the new one bolts right back up.
The rear axles actually just pull straight out and back in. Do not have to touch the rear end. Then the new hub bolts to the new axle.
Everything else just bolts up as normal. It all looks beautiful!!








Let me know if you have any questions. The rear is actually easier but requires more parts. The front just needed the spacer. There you have it.

G55AMG

Awesome, great job.
When are you going for a test drive?
Can't wait for the next update
I need the name of your mechanic? And location
I might use him for my brake project

justthebest

What are your thoughts on doing a C Black conversion? Since the rear axles are already E class, I'd assume that it would be very straightforward?

noodleman

that looks awesome! can't wait to see you get the rear wheels and finally get that car back on the ground!

C63fan

What can I say! Keith! You move even further ahead of us! Can't wait to learn the result! By the way, what's the size of rear rotor?

Dads C63

Its Jerry's MB Service here in Oviedo Florida. He's a GREAT guy and does top notch work. Highly recommend him for anything.

If you already have the "E" wheel carriers/axles then it should be VERY simple.

Back on the ground being the key!! No kidding, this is killing me!!

From the AMG website:

AMG High-Performance Ceramic Composite Braking System

AMG ceramic composite high-performance brakes are available as an option and are instantly recognizable thanks to the "AMG Carbon Ceramic" logo on the brake calipers. Thanks to the special materials and production technology used to manufacture the discs from carbon-fiber-reinforced ceramic in a vacuum at 1700 degrees Celsius, the ceramic discs are much harder. This not only increases the service life many times over compared with a grey cast iron disc, but also their resistance to extreme loads and heat. The result is extremely short stopping distances, an exact pressure point and much higher fade resistance even under extreme operating conditions. The larger ceramic discs – front: 402 x 39 millimeters; rear: 360 x 32 millimeters – also feature a composite design and are connected with a floating radial mount to an aluminum bowl.


Compared with the conventional composite brake discs, the ceramic brake discs are around 40 percent lighter. The further reduction in unsprung masses not only boosts driving dynamics and agility but also improves steering response as well as ride comfort and contact characteristics.

C_DirtyTwo

W. O. W. insane! I love it.

Dads C63

Finally got all the wheels on and back on the ground. The stock silver AMG wheels are kinda growing on me.





Gonna need a little thicker spacer for the rear. They need to come out just a little more.

andrew c230k

That's a Big *** Fan

olszowa12

Nice job Keith !!

Do You have pics of how the rear wheels were welded?

BTW Is that a big wing spoiler on your trunk?