Rock

I love these kind of tests because they put everyone on the same playing field. There was a couple of things that surprised me. First, the Camaro ZL1 rocks it and puts the hurt on some pretty big names, even besting the C63 Black Series. Second, I was a little surprised at the cars that ran faster than the M6/M5, including the Audi RS5 and the Camaro SS. WTF has happened to BMW?



Full List by Times
Ferrari 458 - 2.49.9
Lexus LFA - 2.55.1
Chevy Camaro ZL1 - 2.57.5
Merc C63 Black Series - 2.58.0
Porsche 911 S - 2.58.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3.00.6
Chevy Camaro SS 1LE - 3.01.5
Jaguar XKR-S - 3.02.1
Porsche Boxster S - 3.04.2
Audi RS5 - 3.04.3
BMW M6 - 3.04.7
BMW M5 - 3.05.2
* BMW M3 (E92) - 3.05.4 (from last year's competition, for reference)
* BMW 1M Coupe - 3:06.6 (from last year's competition, for reference)
Audi S6 - 3.09.8
BMW 335i sedan - 3.13.2
Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R - 3.13.9
Dodge Charger Pursuit - 3.17.8
Subaru BRZ - 3.18.6
Ford Focus St - 3.21.4
Chevy Caprice PPV - 3.23.0
Fiat 500 Abarth - 3.27.3

sharknodi

And then comes Ferrari

G55AMG

Motor Trend
Has the C63BS ahead of the Camaro ZL1 at Laguna Seca

Camaro ZL1: 1:39.2
C63BS: 1:38:9


http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...r/viewall.html


http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=QBfug...%3DQBfugbEIlk4

02Drunkenup

Laguna Seca is a bit more technical than VIR, or at least doesn't have the two giant straights where the ZL1 makes up time probably lost in corners. Makes me wish the BS came with more power. Still waiting on a professional N'Ring time for the CBS though, the only time I can find was done by a magazine and is 5 seconds behind the pro ZL1 time and 1 second behind a CLKBS run by Bernt Schneider.

I think the biggest surprise was the Camaro 1LE

cyberorth

OT but every post from Rock takes like 10 minutes to finish because I can't stop watching the cat in the sig. The more you watch the funnier it gets.aaaah

rage2

The ZL1 is awesome for the money. It's a very capable track car, with nearly 600hp, for 60k. Can't go wrong.

I don't trust Ferrari times anymore, unless someone brought their own stock personal car, which I doubt.

Where's the GT-R? Would love to see how it stacked up against the top 2.

BMW sucks lol.

callmiro

And where's the ZR1....as a reference

Rock

C63 Black content, so not OT.

I'm happy you have an appreciation for flying felines.

gthal

I think he meant his comment about the flying felines was OT not your post

Rock

Haha, reading is fundamental. Got it!

callmiro

I'd really like to see the ZL1 that beats the new M6 by 7 seconds around the track

irablumberg

C&D only tests new or highly revised cars each year in the LL. They try to keep test conditions as consistent as possible so results from each year can be compared.

Here is a link to all the results through last year: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8

Note that the best ZR1 time is 2:50.7 and the best Godzilla (GTR) time is 2:53.2.

I remain highly impressed by my CTS-V sedan at 3:04 flat (still the fastest 5 passenger car tested). However, I think my wife's 2012 C63 sedan might do better than the 3:06.5 reported for the 2008 model. I'm disappointed there was no test of the regular 2012/13 C63 coupe or sedan.

Ira

KingOfSiam

I wonder how the non BS matches up to the Black series?

I'm all about the black series, but the 6 digit price tag puts it in a completely different level.

Bones

C63 AMG coupe timed a 3:06.3 in 2012

propain

Its a sad day when a 60K Camaro beats or is even that close to the C63BS and many of those other cars. Either GM has stepped it up significantly or the EU is slackin.

hhughes1

Stock tires and factory alignment handicap the C63. It understeers like a boat until you pass the mechanical grip threshold and begin to slide. At least this was the case for the 2009.

The Camaro chassis is proving to be very capable in both the ZL1 and 1LE configurations.
Reliable sources indicate that the Z28 will return in 2014 with an LS7 and the MR suspension from the ZL1 but weighing in 3 or 4 hundred pounds less.

propain

Whoa.. sign me up for a Z28!

otakki

Impressive performance by the Camaro and Mustang. Certainly a lot of bangs for the buck. But sorry, if I'm forced to pick a car to drive for the rest of my life from that list, it certainly wouldn't be either of those two cars.

Off topic here, but Camaro/Mustang/Corvette just don't really get me excited. However, the latest SRT Viper is different. I can see myself driving that thing. Gotta love that Viper's raw 640hp/600lb-ft N/A 8.4L V10, 6MT, RWD.

_timothy

aye. they are high school kid cars

betrezra

I'm told the program mgr for the zl1 is an avid autocrosser and built the team for this car from all the gm gear heads........ a capable car for the masses. If it motivates germany to put out something more capable then we all win!!!!

Look out AMG you have competition..... low priced competition at that.

AMG9

The M5/M6 have gotten too heavy any luxury oriented.

Wow. Big difference in lap times between the C63 regular and Black series.