09-10 c63 with tune versus ls2 c6.. from a roll
01-23-2013, 10:30 AM
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LS2 C6 is 400 HP pulling 3200 lbs
09 C63 is 450 HP pulling 3800 lbs. With a tune C63 might have an advantage. Also depends on a whole lot of other factors.
The C63 Automatic is waaaaay better than the GM 6 speed - however if the C6 has a manual gearbox, then it also depends on the driver.
09 C63 is 450 HP pulling 3800 lbs. With a tune C63 might have an advantage. Also depends on a whole lot of other factors.
The C63 Automatic is waaaaay better than the GM 6 speed - however if the C6 has a manual gearbox, then it also depends on the driver.
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01-23-2013, 06:40 PM
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interesting. so likely would win against the ls2, but ls3 would put up a good fight? I had an ls2 corvette last, just don't want my next vehicle to be a let down. if it's at least as fast AND making a great daily driver, i think i'll be satisfied.
01-24-2013, 01:09 AM
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I have an 08 (LS3 for those who aren't familiar) Z51 (shorter gearing) Vette with 3 pedals, and I would put my money on a the C63, especially one with a tune, to pull most of the non-z06/non-ZR1 Vettes at random street encounters.
Honestly most Vette drivers can't shift/drive to save their lives, and it's hard to beat the consistency of the C63's tranny. I'm not too familiar with automatic Vettes as I've never driven one, but 05 Vettes have a 4speed auto box so it's the slowest of the bunch.
The Vette should fare pretty well at low speeds since it's a lot lighter, but a 60mph roll who knows. I once did a short pull with an e60 M5 in Mexico with an insanely loud exhaust from 60-130mph and my stock Vette pulled half a car, not sure how that translates to a C63 or an LS2 Vette.
LS2 Vettes on average traps around 112mph in the 1320, and the LS3 115mph. There are of course some faster runs depending on which part of the country the strip is located. A tuned C63 should be running very high teens at the very least? I know quite a few have gone 120mph-ish IIRC.
Honestly most Vette drivers can't shift/drive to save their lives, and it's hard to beat the consistency of the C63's tranny. I'm not too familiar with automatic Vettes as I've never driven one, but 05 Vettes have a 4speed auto box so it's the slowest of the bunch.
The Vette should fare pretty well at low speeds since it's a lot lighter, but a 60mph roll who knows. I once did a short pull with an e60 M5 in Mexico with an insanely loud exhaust from 60-130mph and my stock Vette pulled half a car, not sure how that translates to a C63 or an LS2 Vette.
LS2 Vettes on average traps around 112mph in the 1320, and the LS3 115mph. There are of course some faster runs depending on which part of the country the strip is located. A tuned C63 should be running very high teens at the very least? I know quite a few have gone 120mph-ish IIRC.
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01-24-2013, 01:17 AM
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I was going to go for a pre-'12 C63 but after driving an MCT C63 I am now waiting for the right 12/13 car. IMHO the MCT is a huge improvement for the C63, and even though the '12 C63 I drove didn't have a PP package while the 2010 I drove was PP and loaded, I still prefer an MCT car just because the shifts are much faster esp. in manual mode. Not sure if a tune can "fix" a pre-12's shifts though.
01-24-2013, 11:18 AM
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I have an 08 (LS3 for those who aren't familiar) Z51 (shorter gearing) Vette with 3 pedals, and I would put my money on a the C63, especially one with a tune, to pull most of the non-z06/non-ZR1 Vettes at random street encounters.
Honestly most Vette drivers can't shift/drive to save their lives, and it's hard to beat the consistency of the C63's tranny. I'm not too familiar with automatic Vettes as I've never driven one, but 05 Vettes have a 4speed auto box so it's the slowest of the bunch.
The Vette should fare pretty well at low speeds since it's a lot lighter, but a 60mph roll who knows. I once did a short pull with an e60 M5 in Mexico with an insanely loud exhaust from 60-130mph and my stock Vette pulled half a car, not sure how that translates to a C63 or an LS2 Vette.
LS2 Vettes on average traps around 112mph in the 1320, and the LS3 115mph. There are of course some faster runs depending on which part of the country the strip is located. A tuned C63 should be running very high teens at the very least? I know quite a few have gone 120mph-ish IIRC.
Honestly most Vette drivers can't shift/drive to save their lives, and it's hard to beat the consistency of the C63's tranny. I'm not too familiar with automatic Vettes as I've never driven one, but 05 Vettes have a 4speed auto box so it's the slowest of the bunch.
The Vette should fare pretty well at low speeds since it's a lot lighter, but a 60mph roll who knows. I once did a short pull with an e60 M5 in Mexico with an insanely loud exhaust from 60-130mph and my stock Vette pulled half a car, not sure how that translates to a C63 or an LS2 Vette.
LS2 Vettes on average traps around 112mph in the 1320, and the LS3 115mph. There are of course some faster runs depending on which part of the country the strip is located. A tuned C63 should be running very high teens at the very least? I know quite a few have gone 120mph-ish IIRC.
great post. i was never all the impressed with how the ls2 c6 felt as far as power/pull. although i came from two supercharged/modded 03 cobras and a supercharged lightning prior to the vette. I never drove an ls3 though.
The only possible let downs IMHO are the curb weight, thirst for gas, and if you used to own a 3 pedal Vette, the auto tranny might become boring. Other than that the C63 sounds way better (my LS3 is mated to a Corsa, while it sounds quite nice it's no C63), is a quieter/smoother ride, and the interior is not even in the same league. I don't think you'll be disappointed with the C63
I was going to go for a pre-'12 C63 but after driving an MCT C63 I am now waiting for the right 12/13 car. IMHO the MCT is a huge improvement for the C63, and even though the '12 C63 I drove didn't have a PP package while the 2010 I drove was PP and loaded, I still prefer an MCT car just because the shifts are much faster esp. in manual mode. Not sure if a tune can "fix" a pre-12's shifts though.
I was going to go for a pre-'12 C63 but after driving an MCT C63 I am now waiting for the right 12/13 car. IMHO the MCT is a huge improvement for the C63, and even though the '12 C63 I drove didn't have a PP package while the 2010 I drove was PP and loaded, I still prefer an MCT car just because the shifts are much faster esp. in manual mode. Not sure if a tune can "fix" a pre-12's shifts though.
I actually prefer the pre 2012 cars, they look meaner to me but the interior looks FAR better on them. 09/10 are more in my budget too. This car won't be financed or leased so all of a sudden the car purchase price becomes a lot more real. Trying to find a good balance between practical daily driver as well as something that will still be fun and even a good friday night or cruising car. I think I'm going to really miss having a manual, but I'm hoping the manual mode will at least help a bit of that feeling as well as knowing that auto really is the smart move for a daily driver.
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01-24-2013, 11:09 PM
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lol a Vette thread wouldn't be complete without one of those comments 
The LS3 doesn't feel much stronger than the LS2, though mine with the shorter Z51 gearing does feel zippier than a regular tranny LS3 Vette. But SOTP (seat of the pants) wise the C63 owns the Vette IMO - 2nd gear in the C63 is ballistic and feels awesome. I had a few 4 cyl turbo cars that would sprain the neck decently well when 24+ pounds of boost kicks in; the C63 feels like those cars on boost, but all the time. It's a blast.
When I drove the '12 I did a money on the dash test with my GF, and she couldn't get to the dash, whereas in the Vette she could easily do it.
SOTP after 60mph the Vette feels pretty similar though.
I'm not sure what SOTP translates to real world performance, however. On paper the Vette should have the best advantage from low speed due to its weight.
Regarding MPG I average around 17-19mph with 85% city driving in the Vette, and I beat the crap out of it every chance I get. It's a much ligher car and the engine is idling most of the time when at local speeds so it should be a bit better on gas even in the city IMHO.
I actually prefer everything about the 2010 C63 I drove over the 2012, EXCEPT that dang MCT tranny.
I will be in manual mode 99.9% of the time in a C63 since my last 10 cars were all 3 pedals, so the new MCT is a huge deal to me. The pre-12 tranny isn't too bad but there's a bit of a lag when you want to upshift near redline in manual mode.
great post. i was never all the impressed with how the ls2 c6 felt as far as power/pull. although i came from two supercharged/modded 03 cobras and a supercharged lightning prior to the vette. I never drove an ls3 though.
I wonder how much worse the c63 even is on gas? The vettes are good on highway but not the best in city and being in vancouver, i'm all city driving anyways. i averaged 19L/100km on the display and don't think i drove it all that hard, that's something like 12 mpg.
I actually prefer the pre 2012 cars, they look meaner to me but the interior looks FAR better on them. 09/10 are more in my budget too. This car won't be financed or leased so all of a sudden the car purchase price becomes a lot more real. Trying to find a good balance between practical daily driver as well as something that will still be fun and even a good friday night or cruising car. I think I'm going to really miss having a manual, but I'm hoping the manual mode will at least help a bit of that feeling as well as knowing that auto really is the smart move for a daily driver.
I wonder how much worse the c63 even is on gas? The vettes are good on highway but not the best in city and being in vancouver, i'm all city driving anyways. i averaged 19L/100km on the display and don't think i drove it all that hard, that's something like 12 mpg.
I actually prefer the pre 2012 cars, they look meaner to me but the interior looks FAR better on them. 09/10 are more in my budget too. This car won't be financed or leased so all of a sudden the car purchase price becomes a lot more real. Trying to find a good balance between practical daily driver as well as something that will still be fun and even a good friday night or cruising car. I think I'm going to really miss having a manual, but I'm hoping the manual mode will at least help a bit of that feeling as well as knowing that auto really is the smart move for a daily driver.
When I drove the '12 I did a money on the dash test with my GF, and she couldn't get to the dash, whereas in the Vette she could easily do it.
SOTP after 60mph the Vette feels pretty similar though.
I'm not sure what SOTP translates to real world performance, however. On paper the Vette should have the best advantage from low speed due to its weight.
Regarding MPG I average around 17-19mph with 85% city driving in the Vette, and I beat the crap out of it every chance I get. It's a much ligher car and the engine is idling most of the time when at local speeds so it should be a bit better on gas even in the city IMHO.
I actually prefer everything about the 2010 C63 I drove over the 2012, EXCEPT that dang MCT tranny.
I will be in manual mode 99.9% of the time in a C63 since my last 10 cars were all 3 pedals, so the new MCT is a huge deal to me. The pre-12 tranny isn't too bad but there's a bit of a lag when you want to upshift near redline in manual mode.
01-25-2013, 01:22 AM
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A bit off topic but has anyone considered purchasing a 12/13 c63 (budget allowing) and just un-facelifting it to pre 12 c63?
A retro conversion would be an interesting change of pace, that seems to be best of both worlds: the updated tech/interior (most importantly mct), and the more aggressive styling pre facelift.
Maybe a modified hood would be in order or just living with new hood old bumper
... just a thought
now back on topic
A retro conversion would be an interesting change of pace, that seems to be best of both worlds: the updated tech/interior (most importantly mct), and the more aggressive styling pre facelift.
Maybe a modified hood would be in order or just living with new hood old bumper
... just a thought now back on topic
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A bit off topic but has anyone considered purchasing a 12/13 c63 (budget allowing) and just un-facelifting it to pre 12 c63?
A retro conversion would be an interesting change of pace, that seems to be best of both worlds: the updated tech/interior (most importantly mct), and the more aggressive styling pre facelift.
Maybe a modified hood would be in order or just living with new hood old bumper ... just a thought
now back on topic
A retro conversion would be an interesting change of pace, that seems to be best of both worlds: the updated tech/interior (most importantly mct), and the more aggressive styling pre facelift.
Maybe a modified hood would be in order or just living with new hood old bumper
... just a thought now back on topic
Once I hop into the car and the engine roars to life I honestly could care less what it looks like - both cars have the same rear (sans the tail lights IIRC) and that's what most people will be seeing anyways 
01-25-2013, 06:34 AM
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can i have a 2010, with 2012 interior and tranny please? lol
edit: screw that. 2010 c63 with 5.5TT motor and the f10 m5's trans. lol
edit: screw that. 2010 c63 with 5.5TT motor and the f10 m5's trans. lol
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01-25-2013, 06:36 AM
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lol a Vette thread wouldn't be complete without one of those comments
The LS3 doesn't feel much stronger than the LS2, though mine with the shorter Z51 gearing does feel zippier than a regular tranny LS3 Vette. But SOTP (seat of the pants) wise the C63 owns the Vette IMO - 2nd gear in the C63 is ballistic and feels awesome. I had a few 4 cyl turbo cars that would sprain the neck decently well when 24+ pounds of boost kicks in; the C63 feels like those cars on boost, but all the time. It's a blast.
When I drove the '12 I did a money on the dash test with my GF, and she couldn't get to the dash, whereas in the Vette she could easily do it.
SOTP after 60mph the Vette feels pretty similar though.
I'm not sure what SOTP translates to real world performance, however. On paper the Vette should have the best advantage from low speed due to its weight.
Regarding MPG I average around 17-19mph with 85% city driving in the Vette, and I beat the crap out of it every chance I get. It's a much ligher car and the engine is idling most of the time when at local speeds so it should be a bit better on gas even in the city IMHO.
I actually prefer everything about the 2010 C63 I drove over the 2012, EXCEPT that dang MCT tranny.
I will be in manual mode 99.9% of the time in a C63 since my last 10 cars were all 3 pedals, so the new MCT is a huge deal to me. The pre-12 tranny isn't too bad but there's a bit of a lag when you want to upshift near redline in manual mode.
The LS3 doesn't feel much stronger than the LS2, though mine with the shorter Z51 gearing does feel zippier than a regular tranny LS3 Vette. But SOTP (seat of the pants) wise the C63 owns the Vette IMO - 2nd gear in the C63 is ballistic and feels awesome. I had a few 4 cyl turbo cars that would sprain the neck decently well when 24+ pounds of boost kicks in; the C63 feels like those cars on boost, but all the time. It's a blast.
When I drove the '12 I did a money on the dash test with my GF, and she couldn't get to the dash, whereas in the Vette she could easily do it.
SOTP after 60mph the Vette feels pretty similar though.
I'm not sure what SOTP translates to real world performance, however. On paper the Vette should have the best advantage from low speed due to its weight.
Regarding MPG I average around 17-19mph with 85% city driving in the Vette, and I beat the crap out of it every chance I get. It's a much ligher car and the engine is idling most of the time when at local speeds so it should be a bit better on gas even in the city IMHO.
I actually prefer everything about the 2010 C63 I drove over the 2012, EXCEPT that dang MCT tranny.
I will be in manual mode 99.9% of the time in a C63 since my last 10 cars were all 3 pedals, so the new MCT is a huge deal to me. The pre-12 tranny isn't too bad but there's a bit of a lag when you want to upshift near redline in manual mode.
"I did get a CTS-V 2009. I drove a C63 used first and would say the CTS-V feels like the C63 when you get into the seat and that's where it ends. More of a subtle acceleration than the brute force of C63. More like M3 with exhaust note and sound. Handles bends more like C63 (grip is there bit doesn't feel las hunkered down as M3). Miss exhaust note of c63 but do love ride/quality and ease of upgrade for CTS-V"
Maybe I just underestimate them
