jordanaf

I have had one on order since early/Late May 2013. I was the first deposit and order at my dealership and everyone there was really excited because they all want to see it. I have been busting out of my pants just trying to exhibit patience. I have been prodding and checking with them all the time, as I'm more than ready to get a VIN and delivery date.

This is the news that I just got: AMG did not expect such a demand for them and have already run out of engines. They managed to get 98, plus 2 for show, built thus far. There are chassis's and body's being assembled and readied, but there is a severe shortage of engines. They are not being produced at Affalterbach, but never-the-less are scrambling to get the orders filled. From my understanding, most of the first orders were going to the west and east coasts of USA, some to Canada, and the rest staying in EU. Many of our order dates have been pushed back for this reason. MBUSA did not give a definitive answer, other than they did not expect the demand.

It broke my heart and I immediately took it personally. However, I was relieved to find pout that I was not nearly the only one. It seems engine production alone is roughly a month behind. If you guys can find one with the options you want, I'd say snag it. Mine is very specific to what I wanted and my needs, so I have to unfortunately wait.

Anyone else??

Fung63

That sucks man...


Btw can you elaborate on what you mean the engines are not built in afflterbach?

Bardman

Mattie over here already got his (albeit with not the right wheels):

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...amg-507-a.html

Mine is on a boat to Australia, delivery set for Mid August.

jordanaf

I Know, I was deflated and depressed. (I know it's just a car, but............). Because it has special lightweight internal parts that are borrowed from the SLS, it's not the OEM/"stock" engine that is produced in a different area, MB has to pull an assemble the engine's in a different plant. The demand far exceeded the expectations. Hopefully, things will get worked out and delivery dates should be upon us very shortly.

-jordan

-jordan

Bardman

For what its worth, my Sept date was pushed to December (probably for the same reason). So I changed to another configuration that was already on its way, hence the Mid August date.

chris135b

Hi,

Good information here. Did someone at MBUSA tell you about specific production dates? Specifically, what "decade" your car is in for the specific month in production?

OC6.3AMG

Thank you for the information, my sales person did confirm backlogged orders. I can wait the extra month or two, or three, or ... LOL

iownedu

I'd dump the order and wait on a 2015 then if it was me.

black-clk500

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but isn't the engine for the 507 no different internally than the p31 engines AMG has been building for three years now? It's all in the ECU tune and I venture to guess MB publically admitting the engines full potential. I haven't been following the c63 forums as much as I use to, I'm too busy deciding what beast to replace her with which is not an easy task BTW, even with a six figure budget I never thought I'd get tired of this car, but it's time to move on, it's a damn good car and still one of the best bangs for the buck!

Congrats OP, waiting sucks, I waited for 5 months while my c63 was built. It gets better

TCB EP

Dear Folks,

I am to the understanding (as in my P31) that the special built AMG motors (internals) take an extra 90 days as I waited 7 months for my 2013 P31...with an early order date..

Diabolis

The 507 engine is exactly the same as the P31, and even the ECU tune is not going to be much different if at all. The P31 is under-rated at 481hp - it puts out numbers around 500. It's all about marketing.

austinauflick

This is insinuating that the 507 will not make any more power than the P31. I find this to be unlikely and not because I’m a future 507 owner, rather I’m a future 507 owner because I find it likely to make more power than a P31; presumably at the same underrating percentage of all other variants (standard C63 included). You’re a smart man Diabolis; let’s not start saying things out of ignorance.

~Austin

Diabolis

Hi Austin,

I am not insinuating anything - I am repeating what a shop foreman at one of the corporate MB stores in Toronto told me after his return from Germany (I was inquiring about the possibility of putting in a 507 ECU on my 2013 APX coupe when it comes out). I posted this on another thread in this same forum.

The 507 is a model designation due to the claimed 507 SAE hp (~500 bhp), which is by all accounts correct - and happens to be exactly what the P31 motor (under-rated at 487 SAE / 481 bhp for marketing purposes) actually puts out, both in the P31 or BS cars. Not insinuating that the 507 is not worth it or anything of the sort, only that I was told there won't be a noticeable power difference from the current 2012+ Canadian APX or BS cars.

ZephyrAMG

I don't understand what all the hoopla is about.

507 has the same motor and internals as the P31. The car has some marketing fluff, some stickers, wheels and a new name.

ITS THE SAME CAR AS THE P31. For anyone who thinks they are getting a "unique beast" that will outperform the current P31 is drinking too much coolaid.

Callmiro said it best: Mercedes is just trying to dump remaining parts to clear out these models and they come up with some marketing rainbow spice to get rid of them for the 2014 and on. It's the same thing as they did with the "Affalterbach Edition" or "Edition One".

Diabolis

Hi Austin,

This is the thread I was referring to earlier:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post5687893

OC6.3AMG

I've actually been thinking about cancelling my 507 order until more details are available on the next generation C class AMG.

On one hand I don't want to be a Beta tester of the new generation, on another hand I it's so exciting for me to finally get my own AMG. (look at my signature )

It's hard to decide at the moment, but if the next Gen C63 comes with the cylinder deactivation (call me ), then I wouldn't mind to be the first to get one.

Diabolis

Personally, I'd get the 507. The bugs have all been sorted out and it has all the goodies. Everyone is now jumping on smaller displacement, forced induction engines due to cost and energy "concerns". As Jeremy Clarkson said when reviewing the V12 Vantage, it's the last of its breed and an end of an era (I am paraphrasing here but that was the gist of it). There is something about a car with a large displacement, naturally aspirated, well-designed and well-built motor. Sure a Nissan GT-R is faster than a C63 in all quantifiable ways, but I'd take the C63 over the GT-R any day. It's a personal choice.

austinauflick

I'm just going to put up some actual quantifiable evidence rather than just going off your "I heard from a guy" story...

Here's a BS dyno saying otherwise along with a comparison for the PP car. So please, until you have something of equal weight supporting your argument, please stop making yourself appear less smart.

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ts-inside.html

Diabolis

It is a 91 octane tune - which may not be able to compensate if you put in 87 by mistake. And, 20 hp peak gain on a 500+ hp motor is for all intents and purposes insignificant. The engine probably had a chance to cool off.

Weistec has been saying there isn't any power to be had from the BS & P31 cars. Rage2 here has a BS C63 - he just posted a reply to another thread here (https://mbworld.org/forums/5722059-post65.html). Believe what you will.

I thought your concern was with the 507 power output, not with whether you can get a peak 20 hp increase if you advance the ignition timing to allow for the slower gas burn (and hope you never screw up at the pump by mistake because you've also voided your warranty) on a Black Series car.

EDIT: That last thread is also about a tune where the OP gained 10 hp peak but *LOST* top speed and driveability as a result (and I see you've also posted there as well). Verifiably.

austinauflick

507 power output - If you read into it a little bit you'll see that I'm trying to convey exactly that: The BS is rated higher than a P31 car and another car known to share the exact same internals as the SLS. The power output in the BSs' factory form is higher than that of the PP car (essentially the same as P31 for this case).
Bam your output for the higher rated, same internal components, m156 made more power than that of the lower rated M156. This argument is over.

ML63 AMG

Uh... Why not just get a used regular C63 and get a eurocharged tune for 60+ HP gains that will blow even the "507" edition away?

My ML63 came with the full black series tune, and the eurocharged tune still made 35whp/TQ in the mid range ABOVE the full 507 black series tune. And it doesn't have (or need) the supposed SLS internals to do that. I feel like people are making to much of a big deal over the 481-507 HP editions when a simple tune for under a grand on a used model that's half price will still be faster.

NickAMG

I think it's more for status than anything lol!

Diabolis

Sorry - not trying to be an a$$ but I really don't understand what you're saying here. Yes, the BS is rated higher than the P31 for marketing purposes, but on a dyno or in a straight-line race there is no difference between the BS and a 2012+ P31, MCT and LSD equipped car with lighter wheels. Both the BS and the P31 borrow *bits* from the SLS motor, but the SLS is not using the same M156 engine as the BS or P31 cars. Or am I completely missing your point?

Diabolis

I can't comment on the ML63. As for the forged engine internals, they are not necessary for the power output - they are necessary for the longevity of the engine. They are lighter and harder than the cast bits in the "regular" M156 motor, and while you can certainly get the power from the motor, you are stressing it more. It's no different from having cast vs. forged wheels. Your car goes just as fast on both of them and they are equally round until you hit a pot hole.

Pickles

G'Day Diabolis.
Mate, I have enjoyed reading your posts.
However, I do have to disagree that P31, B.S., 507, have similar crank outputs from the factory, but that simply for "publicity" purposes, AMG quote 487, 507,510 etc. I really do not think that a company with the "Cred" of AMG would do such a thing. But having a '12 C63 P.P., I wish I could agree!!
So, IMHO, whilst I believe the engines are very similar, I do believe they have different outputs when delivered, that difference being in the tuning of the ECU, which tuning, I believe, is different for each model.
Cheers, Pickles.