SuperBuck27

Guys,

Background: Long time BMW guy. Ready to move on from the brand. Want to order/find a 2014 MB sedan. Down to one of these two. There is an obvious price diff of $20-25k. Setting that aside for the moment, what are the pro's / con's of each car.

Feel free to be as detailed as you can. I really know very little about either car other than I have driven the non-507 C63 and the base E63 and like both platforms a great deal for different reasons. I like the compact nature of the C63; however, I also don't mind the larger E63 and the potential for AWD being a longer term value add (I live in warm climes but occasionally head to the mountains).

Thanks, guys.
SB

zibby43

C63 AMG 507 "Pros"

- The 6.2L normally aspirated V8 engine will be remembered as a legendary motor; linear power delivery; fairly high-revving; incredible engine note; raw, raucous, exhilarating exhaust sound

- The 507 is a rarer, "special" edition vehicle (may count for something down the line if you buy but I doubt it as AMG vehicles aren't known for holding their value)

- It's lighter than the E63 and offers a RWD setup (which some people prefer in a true "sports car")

- Less expensive than the E63

- Awesome one piece, AMG-branded Recaro front seats come standard in the sedan

- There are many affordable and exciting tunes and other modifications available for the M156 motor (software tunes, supercharger kits, exhausts, etc.)

C63 AMG 507 "Cons"

- Mediocre to poor fuel economy (depends on your driving style and whether you log city miles or highway miles)

- RWD (although this is also listed as a "pro," it can also be a con to those that live in climates that see snow because you MUST buy a dedicated set of snow tires)

- Will be replaced by a new model in about 1.5-2 years (the W205 C63 AMG)

E63-S AMG "Pros"

- More powerful thanks to the 5.5L biturbo V8

- More luxurious throughout the cockpit/cabin

- More space

- More technology (depending on how you choose your options)

- AWD (with the proper tires, you'll be cruising through just about any weather condition)

E63-S AMG "Cons"

- Throttle response not as linear or instant as a NA car (although you don't feel much lag at all with the 5.5L biturbo)

- The sound is good but does not compare to the symphony that the M156 produces

- Heavier, not quite as nimble as the smaller, lighter C63

Those are some general pros and cons. We might be able to provide more detailed observations if you gave us an idea of what you are specifically looking for out of your next car.

newtrita

W205 is coming out in a couple months it will be here in latest august. So the new design will be out soon. I would go with the e63 if your looking at it as holding the value. Ps people who buy these kind of cars shouldn't really worry about fuel economy, if you don't care about the c63s prices going down insanely after the new gen comes out go for a C63. Good luck ! can't go wrong with either

507AMG

As a new 507 owner I can tell you the car feels amazing. Like ultimate performance is available to you at any time. I love to size and with 4doors my wife loves it to. Only reason I would get the E would be if I planned on taking 3+adults in it all the time. You won't miss the extra technology tidbits in the class if you get the C. Everybody keeps talking about it'll be worth less when the new style comes out but remember it also did not cost you 20 to 25,000 more initially.

avery.whss

^^ about gas prices, when people ask me, i just laugh and say i don't pay attention..because you can't

m a x i m u s

like they say, the c63 wasn't built to save gas or tires. and it's true.

newtrita

Agreed I get 7.5 mpg daily but whatever :vroom: other cars don't give me the thrill this thing gives me

SuperBuck27

Wow. 7.4 MPG. I drive a Cayenne Turbo and am getting about 10.6 MPG and thought that sucked. I agree with all comments that we should never pay attention to fuel economy. That is not why we buy performance cars and, in my opinion, is never a factor.

Guys -- your input is awesome re: the differences b/w the cars. Perhaps an alternative here is to wait until the new iteration comes out, drive it -- and if I don't like it, pick up a slightly used 507 from one of the guys that DOES care about fuel economy.

Again, thank you for your terrific input.

Happy new year.

SB

SuperBuck27

[QUOTE=zibby43;5891315]C63 AMG 507 "Pros"

- There are many affordable and exciting tunes and other modifications available for the M156 motor (software tunes, supercharger kits, exhausts, etc.)


Zibby -- great pro's and con's. Thanks so much. Can you share the most common mods, their costs (for each mod) and what they deliver in terms of additional performance?

Would these mods also be applicable to the "regular" (non 507) C63? If there are favorite suppliers that would help too. I had a 88 944 Turbo S many years ago and there was a pretty common set of mods most of made to that car (great track car, BTW).

Cheers and thanks again.

SB

newtrita

Yeah that's that but I think you made a wise choice but IMO don't go for the turbo'd engine go for the naturally aspirated but just wait a little more. The sound of this car is just amazing... Even my GT3 RS doesn't give me that thrill and sound and maybe think of a c63 bs well anyways happy new year and drive safe ! :vroom:

m5trol

Okay now that is crossing a line. If you aren't getting your GT3RS to sound better than the c63, put your foot into it.

newtrita

6.2 v8 is not comparable to a 3.8 boxster engine, the porsche sounds amazing too but I like the way the c63 sounds better :P the backfires though :P

zibby43

My pleasure!

I would say the most common modification is an ECU tune. Eurocharged and OE Tuning offer the best "bang for the buck," in my opinion. You'll see that those are some of the most popular tunes on the board. Other great tunes are the Renntech tune and the Weistec tune.

The Eurocharged and OE Tuning tunes are in the neighborhood of $850-1000 while the Weistec and Renntech tunes are costlier. You can search the forum for the pros and cons of each tune and run a Google search to find out more about each tuning company.

If you start out with the 507 Edition, your horsepower gains from an ECU tune won't be nearly as staggering as the gains that folks get when using a "normal" (if you can call any C63 normal ) car as the template.

So if you'd like to save some money on the front end of the purchase and snag a great deal on a '13 model, you can easily squeeze some more power out of the car and bring it up to par with the 507 (at least from a horsepower perspective).

A tune is just scratching the surface regarding the available modifications that exist for the M156 and the C63. There are several bolt-ons, exhausts, intakes, etc. available.

Hope that helps.

TTA850

In 2012 when I bought my C63 there was no question in my mind it was the AMG to own and I love my car, even better with headers and a tune. But fast forward to today and there's two reasons I wouldn't buy a C63 now, one is the '14 E63S with its turbo v8 and AWD and the other is the upcoming w205 C63 with its (hopefully) turbo and AWD.

At is point I'd either get the '14 E63S or wait for the new C63, the power potential of the turbo engines are incredible with just tunes let alone down pipes and turbos and the ability to put the power down both in straight lines and turns seals the deal for me.

rory breaker

Agreed. Coming from a guy who has had 2 C63s (when the facelift came out, I once again tried all competitors and decided to stick with the C63) and someone who is very close to biting on an E63S, I'll give you my perspective.

The E is an amazing car. Smoother, faster, more luxurious, more comfortable, newer tech (although not by much) etc. Even though it's fast, it lacks the fun factor of the C. The stiffer ride, the throttle response, the downshift barks, the seats, the look, the tossability....the C is one hell of a car, it's just a lot of fun. So much so that I think I'm sticking with it for now. The E is great, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't inspire fun like the C does. It's more of an AWD luxo-rocket ship, then a violent go kart like the C. Make your choice based on what you want. Also I have to admit, the exterior of the E doesn't get me super excited. I still look at my car and say "damn that's a great looking machine" whereas the E I'm a bit iffy on.

If you don't want to wait for the new model, buy the C, mod it mildly (tune and bolt ons) and enjoy the heck out of it. You won't regret it, certainly, just expect the new model to lure you in when the time comes.

esses

my daily is a C63 with PP, LSD, etc. recently I spent a day at the amg academy and had a chance to drive the new E63S back to back with a CLS63. The E is a wonderful car, however, it's not set up for fun. I was really impressed with the dynamics of the CLS. it was awesome through the slalom as well as on the track. You should try it.

rory breaker

Agree. Problem with the cls is a redesign is due for 2015.

Viper98912

A redesign is not coming yet, it's only a facelift. My guess will be bumpers and grill update to match the latest design language.

roadtalontsi

you went 21 miles in an hour and 40 minutes? whatd you leave the key on once you were done or have it idling for an hour +? I dont even get that in my blown 63. we need some vids of this - you're one of these guys who goes through brakes quicker than i do tires.

To the other comments - porsche boxer's sound terrible unless they are turning 5krpm+ Although it's plenty more capable in the right hands on a track.

I think the e63s would be better for most looking for a performance luxury car. The e also has shock settings to tone it done a little, the e has more room in general. Yes mpg is stupid to talk about but it is nice when you dont have to visit the gas station 2-3x a week. The throttle response isnt comparable because both suck with the factory tune. the E also comes in a wagon in the U.S. . I love my C63 but it takes a certain type of owner to remember it is the entry level car with a huge motor, brakes and stiff suspension. It has many compromises the higher level cars dont.

rory breaker

Redesign/facelift, whatever you want to call it is up to you. Bottom line in 9 months this 120k car will be obsolete, and for me that's unacceptable, so not an option in my eyes.

callmiro

And updated interior with the tablet Nav screen

emericr

I would assume the CLS would be stretching his budget as we are now talking close to $50K more.
I did make the jump to the CLS from the C because I wanted something more luxurious and more power was easier achieved with a tune (other mods on the C would be obvious to dealer from a warranty perspective). I do miss the seats of the C.
I will second what others have said so no need to repeat the pros and cons.
I picked the CLS due to looks and exclusivity. E's and Cs are everywhere.
If you can handle a 6 figure car, then there are others cars I would seriously look at (GTR, Jaguar F type coupe and RS7).
Personally, if I was in the market now, I would pick the new F type coupe if 2 seats are not a deal breaker. 550hp on a car that is 500 pounds lighter than a C. The cat is much better looking as well.
If you need 4 seats, like the new look and can handle the extra $$$, I would pick the new E-S class. I was at Laguna in December and this thing is incredible. It beats everything (including SLS GT and C63BS) if the conditions are not 100% dry.
The new C63 is due in less than 8 months so I would not buy a 507 (we are not talking just a facelift like the E). It has a new body and a new engine.

Guilty

Right on point!

bmoney12

Looking at curb weight in road tests the V8 F-type weighs almost 4000 lbs.

Guilty

I think that's the convertible, the coupe should be lighter. But anyways, to me it's not much of a problem... coming from a 4800lbs CL63 lol