icefireau

hi all...

First time poster, many times reader...

I am unsure if my car has the LSD fitted

I pulled the datacard as below:

205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
213 SPEED-SENSITIVE POWER STEERING/VARIO STEERING
218 REAR-VIEW CAMERA
220A LEATHER
221A LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
230 PARKING GUIDANCE
240 LED DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
241 FRONT SEAT LH ELECTRIC ADJUSTABLE WITH MEMORY
249 INSIDE AND OUTSIDE MIRROR AUTOMATIC DIMMING
265 LINES-NO.PLATE DISCONTINUED
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
283B AIRBAGLABLE - ENGLISH
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
293 SIDEBAG IN REAR LEFT AND RIGHT
294 KNEE AIRBAG
299 PRESAFE
305B HEAD UNIT LANGUAGE - BRITISH ENGLISH
335B INSTRUMENT CLUSTER/HU LANGUAGE - ENGLISH
345 RAIN SENSOR
386 MOBILE PRE.-INSTALLATION (MTUS)
390 LINGUATRONIC-ENGLICH(BRITISH)
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
427 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 7-SPEED
440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
475 TIRE PRESSURE MONITOR (TPM) HIGH LINE/MID LINE
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
518 UNIVERSAL COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE (UCI)
527 COMAND DVD APS WITH NAVIGATION
540 ROLLER BLIND, ELECTRIC, FOR REAR WINDOW
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
581 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL
584 ELECTRIC WINDOW REGULATOR
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
608 AUTOMATIC HIGH BEAM SWITCH (IHC)
621 HEADLAMP WITH ILS, LEFT-HAND TRAFFIC
625 VERSION FOR AUSTRALIA
668 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/ TIE-DOWN HOOKS
670 RESIDUAL ENGINE HEAT UTILIZATION (MRA)
690 EMERGENCY SPARE TIRE (MINI SPARE)
736 TRIM PIECES - WOOD ASH BLACK
772 AMG STYLING PACKAGE-FRONT SPOILER, SIDE SKIRT
775U BRIGHT SILVER METALLIC CLEAR COAT PAINT
776 WHEEL COVERING FOR AMG 17-WHEELS (ONLY EXPORT)
797 AMG 19" SPOKED WHEELS WITH MIXED TIRES
802
810 SOUND SYSTEM
873 SEAT HEATER FOR LEFT AND RIGHT FRONT SEATS
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD
889 KEYLESS - GO
89V SPEED- + LOADINDEX ZR19 XL+ZR19 XL
901L AUSTRALIA ASSOCIATION
909 ALTERNATOR MANAGEMENT
916 FUEL TANK WITH INCREASED CONTENT
919 AIRCON COOLING POWER PACKAGE
923 OUTPUT INCREASE OF ENGINES
928 EXHAUST GAS CLEANING WITH EURO 5 TECHNOLOGY
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
99N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
9XXL AUSTRALIA / PACIFIC
A44 SOFTWARE 3
A50 ENGINE BRACKET VARIANT
A88 VS-I VALVE BODY ASSEMBLY WITH VGS 3
A89 REDUCED-FRICTION
B12 WHEEL REPLACEMENT TOOL
F204 MODEL SERIES 204
FW LIMOUSINE
G930 TRANSMISSION CODE VERSION 30
GV AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION REINFORCED
HA REAR AXLE
K11 ADAPTIVE STOP LIGHT FLASHING
K14 STEUERCODE FUER SERVICEINTERVALL 20000 KM
M156 V8 GASOLINE ENGINE M156 - AMG
M63 6.3 LITER DISPLACEMENT
N4A STEUERCODE W50 FUER PPS-INT. VERWENDUNG
P30 AMG PERFORMANCE PACKAGE
P47 AUTOMATIC PACKAGE
P49 MIRRORS PACKAGE
P54 THEFT PROTECTION PACKAGE
P64 FRONT MEMORY PACKAGE
R RIGHT-HAND STEERING
R01 SUMMER TIRES
U01 REAR BELT STATUS INDICATION
U18 AUTOMATIC CHILD SEAT RECOGNITATION (AKSE)
U26 FLOOR MATS - AMG
U47 SPOILER LIP
U70 BRAKE CALIPERS PAINTED RED
U74 DVD PLAYER WITH REGIONAL CODE 4, MEXICO, SOUTH AM.
VL FRONT AXLE HALF, LEFT
VR FRONT AXLE HALF, RIGHT
X00 LEATHER, DESIGNO, UNI-COLOR
X11 LEATHER, DESIGNO-BLACK, UNI-COLOR
Y90 DESIGNO BLACK FABRIC ROOF INTER. TRIM/WINDOW FRAME

I have in BOLD and UNDERLINED - 923 and P30 but no 471 ( LSD Code ), from my research it would seem that the P30 pack HAS the LSD as standard but NOT the power upgrade.

Is that correct?

AMG893

Im in Australia, my car has LSD option.

This is from my data card

471 MECHANICAL LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL

AMG893

050 AEJ 19/2
197U OBSIDIAN BLACK
200A LEATHER
201A LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
218 REAR-VIEW CAMERA
220 PARKTRONIC SYSTEM (PTS)
241 FRONT SEAT LH ELECTRIC ADJUSTABLE WITH MEMORY
249 INSIDE AND OUTSIDE MIRROR AUTOMATIC DIMMING
265 LINES-NO.PLATE DISCONTINUED
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
283B AIRBAGLABLE - ENGLISH
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
293 SIDEBAG IN REAR LEFT AND RIGHT
294 KNEE AIRBAG
297 ELECTRIC ROLLER SUN BLINDS IN REAR DOOR LH AND RH
299 PRESAFE
305B HEAD UNIT LANGUAGE - BRITISH ENGLISH
310 DUAL CUP HOLDER
335B INSTRUMENT CLUSTER/HU LANGUAGE - ENGLISH
345 RAIN SENSOR
386 MOBILE PRE.-INSTALLATION (MTUS)
390 LINGUATRONIC-ENGLICH(BRITISH)
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
427 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 7-SPEED
43P CONTROL CODE MARKETING
440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
471 MECHANICAL LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL
477 TIRE PRESSURE LOSS WARNER
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
512 COMAND APS WITH DVD CHANGER
518 UNIVERSAL COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE (UCI)
524 PRODUCT PROT. F.PAINT - TRANSPORT VEH.PRESERVATION
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
581 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL
584 ELECTRIC WINDOW REGULATOR
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
619 CORNERING ILLUMINATION
621 HEADLAMP WITH ILS, LEFT-HAND TRAFFIC
625 VERSION FOR AUSTRALIA
668 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/ TIE-DOWN HOOKS
670 RESIDUAL ENGINE HEAT UTILIZATION (MRA)
690 EMERGENCY SPARE TIRE (MINI SPARE)
732 TRIM PIECES - WOOD BIRDS EYE MAPLE
73V SPEED- + LOADINDEX 94Y XL+95Y XL
772 AMG STYLING PACKAGE-FRONT SPOILER, SIDE SKIRT
776 WHEEL COVERING FOR AMG 17-WHEELS (ONLY EXPORT)
790 18" AMG SPOKED WHEELS WITH MIXED TIRES
800 AEJ 09/1
810 SOUND SYSTEM
873 SEAT HEATER FOR LEFT AND RIGHT FRONT SEATS
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD
889 KEYLESS - GO
890 AUTOMATIC REAR-END DOOR
901L AUSTRALIA ASSOCIATION
909 ALTERNATOR MANAGEMENT
916 FUEL TANK WITH INCREASED CONTENT
919 AIRCON COOLING POWER PACKAGE
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
9XXL AUSTRALIA / PACIFIC
A22 NEW CONVERTER GENERATION
A24 JOINT FLANGE, 4-ARM 120
A36 TORQUE CONVERTER HOUSING AGA
A41 SOFTWARE 2
A50 ENGINE BRACKET VARIANT
A52 R- VALVE BODY ASSEMBLY WITH VGS 3
B12 WHEEL REPLACEMENT TOOL
F204 MODEL SERIES 204
FS COMBI - VEHICLE
G907 TRANSMISSION CODE VERSION 07
GV AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION REINFORCED
HA REAR AXLE
K11 ADAPTIVE STOP LIGHT FLASHING
K14 STEUERCODE FUER SERVICEINTERVALL 20000 KM
M156 V8 GASOLINE ENGINE M156 - AMG
M63 6.3 LITER DISPLACEMENT
NC6 CONTROL CODE BREMEN PLANT
P47 AUTOMATIC PACKAGE
P49 MIRRORS PACKAGE
P54 THEFT PROTECTION PACKAGE
P64 FRONT MEMORY PACKAGE
R RIGHT-HAND STEERING
R01 SUMMER TIRES
U01 REAR BELT STATUS INDICATION
U26 FLOOR MATS - AMG
U37 FOGLAMP
U74 DVD PLAYER WITH REGIONAL CODE 4, MEXICO, SOUTH AM.
VL FRONT AXLE HALF, LEFT

icefireau

Did you have the Performance Pack optioned on?

AMG893

No

But i dont think you have LSD, as it would be listed i think in a separate code.
I know you have P30 Code (which is more KW), and it gives a specific code for that (923), so if it has LSD, it would give the code for that i would imagine

icefireau

thats what i suspected but from what i found out from another post.. the P30 AMG Performance pack is

- AMG Limited Slip Differential
- AMG Compound Braking System
- AMG Track-Calibrated Suspension - stiffer springs
- AMG Leather/Alcantara Performance Steering Wheel
- Top Speed: 174 mph

But no power boost from different engine internals, which would be the code 923?

So confusing.... I dont see separate codes for the Alcantara steering wheel or the upgraded calipers, so maybe that P30 code is inclusive of that?

btw.. thanks for check up your datacard for me ! Whats ur thoughts?

AMG893

Hmm, you raise a good point RE; Alcantara Wheel. Brake calipers are the same just painted red AFAIK (and its on your data card).
Its a hard one.

Is there a way of physically comparing the diffs? Im happy to take a pic of mine and post it, if its helps.

Conv_GSDriver

Here in the states, the LSD option is a separate stand alone option not included with the P30 package on the new models, looks like it might be the same on your side as well.

icefireau

I see! When they deleted the LSD, at the same time they changed the P30 to the P31.

Quoted:

1. Discontinuation of AMG Performance Package (code P30)

As of December production, the AMG Performance Package (P30) will be superseded by the
new AMG Development Package (P31) which is described below.

The suspension components of the P30 Performance Package will be completely discontinued.
We have received repeated feedback over the past 18 months that the track-developed
suspension enhancements provide a particularly stiff ride.

The Limited Slip Differential from the P30 Performance Package will be made a standalone
option at a price of $2,000 and can be ordered using code 471. The remaining components
of the former P30 Performance Package are maintained in the new P31 AMG Development
Package.

Grrr.... so confusing ehhh......

icefireau

I suspect and HOPE this is the case that for Australian C63's, they were specced with the "old" P30 AMG package AND a separate 923 upgrade to the engine, from the codes thats what SEEMS to have happened.

They often release different versions of cars in different countries with different option packs... If anyone can confirm this.. that would be great...

Bass_straitener

I have a P30 C63 with the AMG LSD and its a separate item on the data card.

If you're in Melbourne message me and I'm happy to meet and compare the two.

I have a facelift model if that makes any difference.

icefireau

Yeh i'm based in Melbourne too...

Damn... was hoping it was part and parcel of the P30 AMG pack....

What was the build date on yours?

Conv_GSDriver

What model year was the cutoff of the P30?

Bass_straitener

Checked the build date on mine. It's 02-11-2011.

icefireau

In the US i think it was Dec 2009 production onwards, so the P30 became the P31. So i find it odd that Australian C63 would still have the P30 code rather than the P31, since MB specified to dealers that with the P31 they have to order the LSD as a separate item.

Thats where its confusing. Is there a way to easily TELL if i have the LSD or maybe I'll just go and bother the dealer.

Does anyone know if MB will retrofit the AMG LSD?

AMG893

I will take a pic of mine and post it up, see if you can compare it to yours

Also, if you were going to put one in, i would go WaveTrack LSD.
Everyone raves on about them.

AMG893

This is the best i could do without jacking the car up.

2010 Built Factory LSD

Mort

In Canada it was in the 2010 model year sometime in the December build date that they switched to the P31 Development Package. It seems they still use the P30 reference as shown above.

OP I am pretty sure your P30 package does not include the LSD.

AMC893 I have the LSD but not the diff heat sink. That is a special edition or Aussie extra.

Bass_straitener

We had a quick compare of diffs today. They look exactly the same.

Is the housing the same for both LSD and the standard diff?

Based on today's observations it would appear to be the case or both our cars actually have the LSD installed.

whoover

The housing's the same. The only visible difference when the car is delivered is a sticker on the windshield reminding you to have the rear-end oil changed after 3,000 km. But that would be long gone.

Not having 471 listed means the car has an open diff.

charliekay

Go get a WaveTrac LSD and have fun

m a x i m u s

how do we pull our data cards, btw?

Mort

PM Valvestud.

m a x i m u s

oh yeah. thanks mort.

m a x i m u s

sorry for my density, but an open diff = NOT an LSD? so having 471 means you have LSD?

edit, post google: nvm, I got it.