Mark63

Hi I've been looking around for headers for my 09 C63.

I found MBH headers but they're 2950 on their website.

Anyone know anyplace they sell them for cheaper?

Or another brand of headers that are proven good with a lower price?

How many of you guys actually have mbh headers and how are they?

MJ50

shorties...

http://www.eurocharged.com/products/...-46-16_-detail

glennhl

There is a very good sticky at the top of the C63 AMG forum that explains your options. I would not do a shorty, not enough of a gain for the money. If and when I do long tube headers, I'll contact Jeremy of OETuning, he has a very good deal on some long tubes.

johnnyblaze

+1 on contacting Jeremy. I love my BenzWorks headers.

anthonymckay

I have some MHP headers that I bought used. Love them so far and the gains along with a EuroCharged tune have been great!

Petakii63

Here we go with another header thread...

There's a link where you can find all info on all different types of headers.

Mbh headers are a great design but they are not a "true" longtube headers. (Here come the mbh fanboys.) They are a full length header. The quality is A+! And, these headers really shine in the higher rpms. Can't go wrong with these.

Benzwork headers are a true long tube as are MHP's. If you want "true, true" long tubes you go with either or. But, benzworks don't not offer mid pipes to go along with their header. And, MHP will get bashed on this forum (Google seach mhp/andy)

Agency power are mid length headers, which for the price and gains, I think are pretty solid! Never heard any complaints from owners about these.

Shorties, as stated before are a waste of time and money. You might as well chop of your primaries and you'll prolly net more hp at fraction of the cost.

At the end of the day, check your budget, do some of your own research and I think that will help you.

Merc63

Is mhp around anymore , heard a guy try to buy some headers with no reply.

mr747

you could try ipe aswell

glennhl

If they are really out of business, then that means that American Racing Headers should be able to sell their C63 headers again.

Petakii63

No I talked to andy 2 weeks ago. He said, 5-7 days to build. 3-5 shipped. Problem is it's hard to get a hold of him...

No he owns the copy rights of the c63 headers. You can only buy through him. I've already talked to american headers. They told me to call him

Bwoody also sells Andy's headers.

dubzAMG

MHP makes great headers, they have absolutely no customer service though. Beware!

ruey220

I checked with them awhile back, they have to update their site, those no longer available. kleemann doesn't make them anymore. the short ones anyway.

avery.whss

how much wHP do headers add? I'm thinking of picking up a pair from OEtuning (i'm guessing benzworks) ones..people say 70-120whp is that true? for the price thats a insane gain

P.S damn you guys for making me mod my car so much pretty sure i have almost every mod minus headers/full exhaust and blower

glennhl

This is amazing that anyone can have a copyright to a set of headers for a V8 car. They are all basically the same. 4 tubes into a merge collector, all you have to do is route the tubes so they don't hit anything on the car. There are probably very few ways to do this.

To tell you the truth, I bet ARH just doesn't think it's worth fighting MHP over the whole thing because the market is so darn small. ARH has much bigger markets to serve with American Muscle cars.

Petakii63

Just pisses me off how you can buy the e/cls 63 from ARH but not the c63. I'd buy them from andy but I not willing to risk losing 4k for headers and not be able to get into contact with him (I've heard the stories) The only way I got into contact with him was through ARH, which they personally paged him to call me.

Petakii63

Hard to tell which makes the most power. You would need all headers from every manufacturer. One car. Dynoed all on the SAME day.

Headers on this car will be right on par with stage 1 blower. If and when I supercharge my car it will be stage 2 at least.

BiturboSF

Found this vid, this car has Eurocharged tune, MBH LTH, charcoal delete. He mentioned it was 431whp 403tq on a mustang dyno

Petakii63

That vid is from 2010. Back with eurocharged v3. They are make more power now and more smoother running. Typically, you'll see yourself now a days with headers, charcoals deleted, and tune between 470-490 or shy of 600 crank give or take. The stock manifolds of this car, are the Achilles heel.

glennhl

I sent an email to Nick at American Racing Headers and he confirmed that Andy is still in business and that MHP had just bought 3 C63 headers from him this week. He also said that MHP owns the tooling so ARH can not make them. So it's not really a patent issue, it's most likely a contractual issue. I'm guessing that MHP went to ARH to have them make the C63 headers and it sounds like MHP paid ARH for the tooling, therefore, they "own" that design. The good news is that ARH makes the MHP headers so they are of excellent quality.

If we want a competitive design, someone needs to stop by Kooks and try to talk them into entering the market.

Petakii63

Andy's rate of answering a phone calls sucks! However, I agree with ARH/MHP design rather than mbh. If you plan on keeping your car naturally aspirated, the 2inch primary kills low end torque. I've already talked to Serge at benzworks and they have installed mbh and their header which is "true" 4-1 longtube and their's consistently makes more torque. And, to be honest MBH sucks at returning phone calls and emails too. If you wants to get info on MBH headers call dyno-comp. They're the ones that make them. Personally, for me it's either Andy's headers or benzworks.

jrcart

....not to mention he is a shady crook. I did not even know the douchebag was still in business.

Petakii63

He's still in business. Just has no business managing skills to say the least. And, yes I have read threads about him. Which is also why I don't want to deal with him.

OlegKouz

I am also looking to decide between BenzWorks and MHP...leaning a bit towards to BenzWorks because of the better customer support and ease of mind. Will follow this thread to see what you end up doing!

Petakii63

Go look on youtube. Benzwork headers C63. I think the guys name is Sam Gates. Car sounds fantastic. And, pulls like a train. +1 on benzworks customer service.

bhamg

FWIW I laid some dyno charts of MHP and MBH headers installed on the same C63 over one another. There were ony minor differences in output and the shape of the curves was virtually identical, i.e., no low end torque hole with MBH. YMMV.