Tinbucket

Well.... the new chrysler has 707 hp and 650 lb ft of torque. Does the quarter in the tens on slicks.
Wha'll what will we do? I'm not going to drag race them but that is a bit above the performance of thee Lambo or Corvette and certainly us. Best I've seen, from others is high 11's at about 120 at that was with tune.
Just read about how hard the Weistec blower is to install.
Do you suppose Renntech or others here, just first name to pop up, has a package of components to outdue the beast at less than the cost of the Dodge?

an_DREW

No matter what you do, there will always be something out there that is faster. Enjoy the car for what it is and don't stress about the small stuff.

PravjotSingh

i know ess is coming out with a blower soon

adv4nced53

It's pretty impressive how un..impressive the faster C63s are out there. I come from modding 2L cars where if you didn't trap 140+, you were a nobody. Are people afraid of modding? Don't see anyone here making over 1000hp and that should be a joke with this size engines. Just curious...

jvanbrecht

There is at least 1 person here with a 1000+ HP M156 (I believe it is one of JRCarts carts).. Or atleast close to 1000.

The difference... you blow up a heavily modded 2L 4 or 6 cylinder engine, your out maybe 3 or 4 grand, you blow a M156, and your out $40k

Those heavily modded 2L you talk about, tend to have a short lifespan, the more you mod, the more wear and tear and less time they will last, great for a cheap civic or acura, not so much for an AMG.

Ingenieur

nothing...other than enjoy the C63 for what it is
I mean, really, who gives a hoot

jmueller

I'll tell you what I am going to do: go test drive one and check it out. I doubt i'll be able to live without the sophistication of the merc though and will likely stay with AMG whether it be with a 2014/15 C63 or if I dabble into the E63 when it comes time for me to upgrade (if I want to).

Critter

Really there is a huge difference between a Dodge Challenger and a Mercedes Benz, they do have the same 4 wheels but even those are different.
Spend the 65K on the Hellcat which is a steal for 707HP, Pay through the ying yang for insurance or drive a 500+HP Benz for 1,174 CDN full coverage.
I made my choice,

Kriston

You have to consider that a C63 AMG out the box is worth what a tuned 4 banger is worth with all the mods including the cost of the car new for the most part.


Not many owners venture into big power territory simply because the demographic is different. I told my self 500 WHP is all I want out of the C63 and you can get there pretty quickly with just bolt ons + tune.


For the street you really don't need more.





Interesting - Lets see what they come up with. Hopefully there tunes are quality.

Autosport7

I heard about this car coming out a few months back as well. My buddy owns a local Dodge dealership and was telling me about how impressive the car was supposed to be.

I own cars for 1 of 2 reasons, depending on the flavor I am interested in at the time depicts which car I am driving atm.

1. Sports Car
2. Luxury Performance

This car doesn't meet either category for me.

Now what car does meet the first category by Dodge is the new Viper! I road in my buddies the other night. That car is totally in a league of its own! Most people do not even give thought to a Viper when thinking of their next car, well I am.
In the past 6 months I have had 1 friend and 2 close acquaintances purchase either '13 or '14 Vipers. I have also been introduced to the owner of PittRace who is also a member of the local Viper club in our area.
The more time I spend with these people, the Viper is really growing on me.

I have an ongoing mental process of elimination for my next vehicle. It has been holding strong now at a used Porsche GT3. Then my heart strings were being tugged toward the new M3 and getting back into a BMW, now as of recently, this Viper is calling my name!
IF you haven't ridden in a new one, GO, GO NOW! Unbelievable car!

Petakii63

Stage 2 weistec blower will give the hellcat a good run. Personally, I had a 04 ZO6 and it was modded to hell and back. Even though it had enough power to send me into orbit... I never look back after owning my C63. Power isn't everything when the ride quality is **** and is pain to drive on the street. Don't compare an American hilly billy car with forced induction to an N/A Benz. I'm sure the new challenger will be a great car. Truth is, it will always be in the shadow of Mercedes in the quality department. Besides, what will it do besides go very fast in straight line? If I would go american again it would be the new zo6. Now that's a car that does everything right.

Autosport7

This is another one that could potentially make my list (as seen above in previous post).
Although, I haven't ridden in in a new Vette yet, the Viper at this time is higher on my list than the Vette, only because I have ridden in the Viper and I prefer the Viper styling over the Vette. Not to mention the Viper is FAR less commonly seen on the road than Vettes and when you do see one, it twists your neck no matter who you are!

CarHopper

A 2L honda motor costs about 25 bucks today. People aren't afraid of modding it is just a completely different crowd. Not to mentioned their are a lot more 2L rice rockets out there than M156's.

As mentioned before, 1000whp has been reached on an m156.

Lastly, 2L's trapping at 140+ probably aren't daily driven and if they are I bet they are such a PITA

Petakii63

No doubt the viper is a straight beast. I haven't driven the new one. But, I'm sure it's more drivable than the older srt-10... That car was a nightmare in terms of handling and comfort.

Petakii63

Terrible comparison. And, you must be nose deep in the JDM magazine tuning guide for Cracker Jack toys. Plenty of people have pushed these cars to it's limit, both in n/a form and forced induction. And, their first mod didn't have to be an engine swap.... James (jrcart) is running 9.1 at 150 trap with god knows what done to it. Keith's (dads c63) ran 10.1 at 139 in n/a form with respective power adder trim (200 shot nos).


why are you comparing engines found on lawnmowers? To an engine that will probably go down being one of the best naturally aspirated v8.

Autosport7

No doubt the power they put down can allow the car to drive the driver. But track experience is really all that is needed to drive this car hard. I would not suggest handing one over to someone with no seat experience and telling them to set the track on fire.
Knowing where the car makes power and where it hits is essential to driving this car hard as it is to driving any car hard.
The Viper is no different than any other car that has hit the track, what I mean by this, is it just takes an experienced driver.

Take an experienced driver put him in the seat of the Viper, Take an inexperienced driver and put him in a McLaren and the Viper is gonna take the race every time.

Illegal Machine

I've driven a new Viper (2013 GTS). They're FANTASTIC cars. Seem perfectly fine to semi-daily drive. I was at an event with a bunch of current (previous generations) Viper owners and they were floored by how much more drivable it was (along with the exterior and interior material upgrades).

They are absolute MONSTERS. If they had an auto, they'd be easy 10 second cars. Tough to row that 6 speed to a 10, but low 11's are no problem.

As far as exclusivity goes, it's right there (if not higher) than the GTR. Most "exotic" for your money. Lets face it, the Corvette will never be exotic. ZR1, Z06/7. It's not happening because of the sheer volume they produce/sell (which is why GM doesn't care).

coladin

I think I am heading to, unless they don't screw it up with turbos, to Jaguar. Probably XFR for me. Comes in 30 grand cheaper than the E63, NA V8 that sound a lot like ours and it is a good size, pretty imposing vehicle.

BAD430BENZ

I will believe it when I see it . You know how long this rumor has been going around

papashango

Here's a brief review Top Gear did on the Hellcat...they seem to love it.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/d...view-2014-7-23

Don't see anything earth shattering in terms of drag times....

Illegal Machine

11.2 at 125 on street tires and 10.85 at 126 on drag radials...is pretty damn earth shattering for a stock vehicle.

Skip to 2:35.

papashango

That seems different than what they said in the Top Gear article. It's decent at those numbers stock for sure.

Illegal Machine

They said "12-second quarter miles" which 11.2 is.

They said "sub 11-seconds on drag radials" which is what a 10.8 is.


I'm also hearing that the launch control basically is for people who want to launch the car and not die. If you want the best times, you don't touch the launch control and do it yourself.

Vash

The XF-R is not NA, it's supercharged.


I'm torn as to "what's next". I'm keeping the C63 (I'm smitten). The S63 coupe was a sure thing, but now Lexus has just announced that their LF-LC is going to have a 600+hp TT 5L 8 in it.

papashango

I guess that's fail on my part for reading it wrong.


EDIT: On the topic of Jaguar's, I absolute love the new F Type coupe's. If I am in the market for a 2 seater down the line, that will definitely be high up on my list. Honestly, it's the only other car in it's class that I think sounds better than the C63.