Got My 2012 C63 (P31) Tuned By Eurocharged - Had A Few Concerns
#27
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Let me get this straight
All the same dyno the same day
Baseline ~343
W/tune ~ 360 plus 15 HP (20 at the crank)
Replace air filters with less used ones -385 Plus 25 HP (30-35 crank)
So the estimated baseline w/o the tune but with the filters ~ 365-370
Either way tune is worth 20-25 HP or so tune only
This makes sense if the tune replicates the E63 oem tune
Basically the oem C63 is the E63 tune with the throttle limited > 5000 rpm
E63 ~ 515 HP
Close to the P31 480 plus 25 from the tune
All the same dyno the same day
Baseline ~343
W/tune ~ 360 plus 15 HP (20 at the crank)
Replace air filters with less used ones -385 Plus 25 HP (30-35 crank)
So the estimated baseline w/o the tune but with the filters ~ 365-370
Either way tune is worth 20-25 HP or so tune only
This makes sense if the tune replicates the E63 oem tune
Basically the oem C63 is the E63 tune with the throttle limited > 5000 rpm
E63 ~ 515 HP
Close to the P31 480 plus 25 from the tune
#28
The previous E63 (among many others) used the m156 6.2 rated at 507 to 518 hp depending on MY
Afaik the C was the only one it was derated in
In special versions they loosened the limiter
P31 481
507 507 lol
C63 BS IIRC is 510?
Afaik the C was the only one it was derated in
In special versions they loosened the limiter
P31 481
507 507 lol
C63 BS IIRC is 510?
Last edited by Ingenieur; 07-31-2014 at 09:20 PM.
#30
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Razzy 388 WHP on a tuned P31 should seems a bit low. With a completely stock car you should be doing between 410-420 on that dyno.
Remember there variances in dyno's / weather etc.
Take a look at my run, on the same dyno you did yours at (Euorcharged Toronto)
I have a 2010 non P31 car.
Remember there variances in dyno's / weather etc.
Take a look at my run, on the same dyno you did yours at (Euorcharged Toronto)
I have a 2010 non P31 car.
#31
438 WHP assuming 15% loss is 515 HP
10% loss 486
20% loss 548
actual losses on this car (depending on gearing, tires, tie-down, etc.) are in the 10 to 15 range, on this dyno closer to 15%
10% loss 486
20% loss 548
actual losses on this car (depending on gearing, tires, tie-down, etc.) are in the 10 to 15 range, on this dyno closer to 15%
#32
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Not bad power for a non P31 car huh
For the record - I also have the secondary cat deletes + Renntech Intakes + Eisenmann Race Exhaust.
This is on the Eurocharged V5 file.
For the record - I also have the secondary cat deletes + Renntech Intakes + Eisenmann Race Exhaust.
This is on the Eurocharged V5 file.
#33
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Razzy 388 WHP on a tuned P31 should seems a bit low. With a completely stock car you should be doing between 410-420 on that dyno.
Remember there variances in dyno's / weather etc.
Take a look at my run, on the same dyno you did yours at (Euorcharged Toronto)
I have a 2010 non P31 car.
Remember there variances in dyno's / weather etc.
Take a look at my run, on the same dyno you did yours at (Euorcharged Toronto)
I have a 2010 non P31 car.
Slav said for a P31 stock without tune should be baselinimg at about 360whp. I was at 338whp baseline.
What about maintenance? I sure as hell am severely low. Any concretev ideas as to why I would be posting such low numbers? I know i need new filters but besides that everything else is conjecture.
Lastly, what does service A0 require? Is that the second or third service?
Last edited by Razzy; 08-01-2014 at 11:10 AM.
#34
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No I have Renntech Intakes + AFE Filters + Secondary Cat Delete + Eisenmann race setup.
I baselined without the tune over 380WHP (the stock pulls are on the graph I Posted).
I baselined without the tune over 380WHP (the stock pulls are on the graph I Posted).
So you are pushing 438 whp after tune. The car is stock?
Slav said for a P31 stock without tune should be baselinimg at about 360whp. I was at 338whp baseline.
What about maintenance? I sure as hell am severely low. Any concretev ideas as to why I would be posting such low numbers? I know i need new filters but besides that everything else is conjecture.
Lastly, what does service A0 require? Is that the second or third service?
Slav said for a P31 stock without tune should be baselinimg at about 360whp. I was at 338whp baseline.
What about maintenance? I sure as hell am severely low. Any concretev ideas as to why I would be posting such low numbers? I know i need new filters but besides that everything else is conjecture.
Lastly, what does service A0 require? Is that the second or third service?
#36
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Thread Starter
Another P31 sedan with the same Eurocharged V5 tune on the same dyno at the same shop is bound to be compared to one another. I'm just worried as to why my baseline is so low for a P31. I guess some investigating is in order. I just hope it's nothing costly or major. I've barely had the car for a month.
#38
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I would hope that you'd have some service history documentation with 36K miles... There's no service history?
#39
actually i just remembered...along time ago EC/OE told everyone to drive the car semi hard for 1,000-1,500 KM ...I just realized that they do get more agressive as you drive...I switched tunes like 2-3 weeks ago and the car drove kinda sloppy for the last 2 weeks (basically felt slow as hell) but this last week it's been driving super agressive..like it should be..so I think there may actually be a period where the ECU adjusts it self some how.
Drive around down shifting like a mad man and red line the **** out of the car...do it for a week then report back.
You won't do any damage..I had a blown intake manifold and beat on the car more and didn't make it any worse
Drive around down shifting like a mad man and red line the **** out of the car...do it for a week then report back.
You won't do any damage..I had a blown intake manifold and beat on the car more and didn't make it any worse
Last edited by avery.whss; 08-02-2014 at 12:40 PM.
#40
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actually i just remembered...along time ago EC/OE told everyone to drive the car semi hard for 1,000-1,500 KM ...I just realized that they do get more agressive as you drive...I switched tunes like 2-3 weeks ago and the car drove kinda sloppy for the last 2 weeks (basically felt slow as hell) but this last week it's been driving super agressive..like it should be..so I think there may actually be a period where the ECU adjusts it self some how.
Drive around down shifting like a mad man and red line the **** out of the car...do it for a week then report back.
You won't do any damage..I had a blown intake manifold and beat on the car more and didn't make it any worse
Drive around down shifting like a mad man and red line the **** out of the car...do it for a week then report back.
You won't do any damage..I had a blown intake manifold and beat on the car more and didn't make it any worse