BLKROKT

The 997 GT3 RS is no slouch. It's still a bonkers fast car on a proper track.

Bardman

Each to their own. I think 4.4s 0-100 is plenty quick. Its the same as the current C63.

I almost never tap into the full potential of my 507, I'm way over the speed limit before I feel I have the engine and exhaust on song.

This car looks like its right in the sweet spot for me.

Bardman

I agree that the rear wing could be ditched though. I'd learn to live with it.

CarHopper

Yeah, whats your point? It's a GT3RS... A 911 gt3rs (997 or not) is still a car made for the track...

But your right, my point is irrelevant.

Bardman

Some nice pics.

Dazzagt

Coming from a GT3 (PRE C63) I have never been a fan of the gayman, but have to say they have properly nailed it from the looks perspective, and I'm sure this will be a weapon on track, road, those pics

Viper98912

Car looks great, I'd love to have one.

Probably never will and the price is very expensive - because it's Porsche, and no matter what they charge people are still buying them and they can't make enough. They are simply following supply and demand.

And as to MB's new video; only thing that came to my mind was "Oh no they din't!" lol

norb

Its all marketing. No way Porsche would have come out with a faster car than the current 911 GT3, which is $50K more than the GT4. Why would they do that? Porsche could easily put the current GT3 engine in the Cayman, but again, why would they do that, when they can sell a much more expensive 911 model. I hate to say it but Porsche is now in the profit business, which makes sense since they almost went bankrupt in the early 90's, and not in the pure sports business.

So yea, its faster than the old GT3RS, and the 996 GT3, and the 993 GT3 and the 959. Yay!

CarHopper

^ It... is faster... than a 997 gt3rs... What is unimpressive about that? Seriously.

If you think that porsche just got in the business of making a profit then... Idk, loss of words.

norb

You obviously don't know Porsche history then.

rediesel

I like the idea of a C4S or C4GTS to have in the winter, but the prices are really high IMO (a la carte options list is painful.) I can't believe there are 20 different 911 variants!

I think my 507 coupe holds it's own against Porsche rivals quite nicely.

CarHopper

Nope, I don't. But my 911 turbo certainly made me appreciate porsche. Doesn't mean I didn't have to pay for it.

BLKROKT

^ This exactly.

Think they are making much profit off of their new 'halo' car the 918? How about their re-entry into LMP1 endurance racing? Or the Porsche Cup series, which is arguably the 3rd highest-tech racing series behind F1 and LeMans/LMP. Is that for profit?

They continue to push the boundaries, and the technology they invent and refine in their racing series trickles down into the consumer cars over time. Yes, the 911 brand is diluted with so many variants lately. But the Turbo/GT2 and GT3 cars, and now this Cayman GT4, are still among the very best performance cars money can buy.

norb

LOL, please explain why they make an SUV and 4 door sedan? And the long long absence in motorsports. You Johnny come lately's don't know about Porsche history but that's OK, ignorance is bliss.

CarHopper

^ I literally said I don't know it.

Only on a car forum will you say you don't know something and be called out about it.

ANY business that goes out there not looking for profit, fails. Period. No if's and's or but's. Sure, Porsche has a rich history of priding themselves on driving and putting together the best of the best machines. At the end of the day that turns into marketing and gets customers in the door paying top dollar for what Porsche has proven to be worth it.

Look at Mercedes DOMINATING F1 this year. Their enormous investment into turbo technology research to making their F1 machines things that can't be beat is now turning into people buying up Mercedes as they move their brand in a F/A direction.

Once again, I don't know Porsche's history so don't you dare accuse me of having knowledge that I indeed do not have

norb

Fair enough my friend, fair enough. As I've said, Porsche almost went bankrupt in the early 90's and the Porsche we know today is the way it is because of it. They actually hired Toyota to show them how to build cars more efficiently and thus profitably. And I've read that Porsche has the highest profit margin of any manufacturer. If you want to know what a Porsche was like before this, drive an air-cooled 911. The build quality is fantastic.

solekeeper

because they overprice all of their cars.

edwardsflight33

I wonder if this GT4, combined with the 918, will begin the fall of the 911. I'm sure there will be those who buy the 911, because it's the 911, but I can see the guys who go to the track racing to the dealerships for this beautiful, mid-engined scalpel.

It may not mark the true fall of the 911, but as the 918's tech trickles down, I don't know if the 911 would stay a true rear engined car when it has electric motors at the front (maybe all 4) wheels. So instead of "marking the fall", maybe "igniting the evolution" of the 911 would be a better term.

As far as over-priced, which it is, they will keep the prices high as long as people pay what they ask. The VW Group has a lot of other brands and ways to make money to keep one brand a float until it is able to recover. Think of Lexus losing money on the LFA, but having Toyota's massive stability from large sells of common cars to keep the company from going bust.

edwardsflight33

So sexy. I love the color, the curves, everything. I would never buy any version of the 911 as long as I could buy this.

Phoeny

I've recently driven the 991 carrera cabriolet and the 991 4S,I have to say that they were both fully equipped (Euro price ) but I'm still in love with them,especially the 4S with Chrono pack and sporty exhaust,amazing handling and pretty fast car!
This cayman imho is going to destroy the "normal" 991 models in terms of price+handling+capabilities,it will be a perfect mountainroad-killer/trackday-funcar with the pleasure of the manual gearbox!
With 100k Euro you're buying a damn fun-fast midengine sportcar,then with a aftermarket exhaust + ECU reflesh it will easily reach 420bhp or more(paper says 385bhp but we all know it's only marketing) ...who needs a GT3 when you can spare 50k euro?
I'm joking cause these cars are on slightly different levels but this GT4 is about to change the 991 supremacy.

edwardsflight33

TPC Racing has a turbo for the Cayman that goes to a claimed 460hp for $10,000. There are a lot of reviews of what the car can do when given more power.

507AMG

Maybe I'm alone here but to me "Overpriced" related to a home that won't sell, a stock no one buys, or a first class plane seat? When Porsche sells all their vehicles how do we conclude they are overpriced? Value is a "perceived" notion in the world of commodities. A different perception by many, but in the case of Porsche, there are plenty that perceive it quite high.

solekeeper

easy.

Porsche turbo- 160k
Pre-owned Gallardo-150k


GT3- 1 trillion dollars

CarHopper

If they overpriced their cars then nobody would buy them... People buy the **** out of them if you haven't noticed.

If anything, I bet they could go higher and people would still buy them.

solekeeper

So you'd rather buy a turbo over a G for the same price?

Forget the G, just remember your buying a VW at the end of the day. And if you were ponying up for a gt3 or turbo, you'd have a car that looks exactly like it for 60k. IE- regular carrera's, caymans etc. That imo, is a huge turnoff.

I live in south florida, i'm well aware of porsche and the exotics market. People will surely buy what they want, and i understand that, but for getting my money's worth, my money won't be given to an overpriced P-car.