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10-21-2016, 06:25 PM
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Oh come on guys this is getting a old lol. Most of us 507 owners do not think we have a BS, seriously? We think we have a 507, as in the end-of-production naturally aspirated model -- really why I bought it -- with a starting 507 hp at 6800 rpm and 450 lb-foot torque, before aftermarket tune, the vented BS hood, which rocks, the optional matte finish, the stripes, the red calipers, the designo alcantara multi-colored interior (that alone in my book is a big aesthetic difference, forged 19" wheels with the matte black option, black-finished headlights, grille, mirror caps, and OEM bootlid spoiler, red accents in the gauge cluster, etc. I think but am not sure (and really don't care) that it also came with new connecting rods and a lighter crank shaft.
Bottom line, it's a great car, it's not lipstick on a pig or whatever, it's its own thing with lots of features you'd have to pay a bunch for to add later. And all of these are great cars. Can't we all just get along? Lol
Bottom line, it's a great car, it's not lipstick on a pig or whatever, it's its own thing with lots of features you'd have to pay a bunch for to add later. And all of these are great cars. Can't we all just get along? Lol
10-21-2016, 06:27 PM
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Oh come on guys this is getting a old lol. Most of us 507 owners do not think we have a BS, seriously? We think we have a 507, as in the end-of-production naturally aspirated model -- really why I bought it -- with a starting 507 hp at 6800 rpm and 450 lb-foot torque, before aftermarket tune,
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10-21-2016, 07:03 PM
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Oh come on guys this is getting a old lol. Most of us 507 owners do not think we have a BS, seriously? We think we have a 507, as in the end-of-production naturally aspirated model -- really why I bought it -- with a starting 507 hp at 6800 rpm and 450 lb-foot torque, before aftermarket tune, the vented BS hood, which rocks, the optional matte finish, the stripes, the red calipers, the designo alcantara multi-colored interior (that alone in my book is a big aesthetic difference, forged 19" wheels with the matte black option, black-finished headlights, grille, mirror caps, and OEM bootlid spoiler, red accents in the gauge cluster, etc. GOOD FOR YOU. YOUR special model C63 is awesome. I think but am not sure (and really don't care) that it also came with new connecting rods and a lighter crank shaft.
Bottom line, it's a great car, it's not lipstick on a pig or whatever, it's its own thing with lots of features you'd have to pay a bunch for to add later. And all of these are great cars. Can't we all just get along? Lol
Bottom line, it's a great car, it's not lipstick on a pig or whatever, it's its own thing with lots of features you'd have to pay a bunch for to add later. And all of these are great cars. Can't we all just get along? Lol
I am so sick of reading about your overexcited posts that you have a 507. Enough already. When I see one, I love it. The C63 as a whole is a gorgeous car to look at. 507s are awesome. YOU HAVE ONE. WE KNOW. YOU HAVE RED STITCHING. WE KNOW. YOU HAVE HOOD NOSTRILS AND GO FAST STICKERS, WE KNOW.
You also paid over $75K for a C class. Wake up.
You YOU of all the members on this forum are in immense denial that all you have is a p31 with some accents to get rid of extra surplus that Merc had. THE 507 WAS JUST A MARKETING GIMMICK TO SELL THE LAST OF THEM. ITS A CLASSIC STRATEGY BY CAR MANUFACTURERS.
Seriously, for you not to see beyond the marketing genius to sell the last of the cars at big profits and make buyers think they are getting something "special" is obvious your absolutely delusional and immature at that.
The C63 amg 507, cool car. Do a lot of us think the price tag for black mirrors and spolier and sticker is worth it? Not really.
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10-21-2016, 07:21 PM
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WE DO GET ALONG. Just that you think you have some better C63 and talk about your car as being a one off. GET OVER YOURSELF.
I am so sick of reading about your overexcited posts that you have a 507. Enough already. When I see one, I love it. The C63 as a whole is a gorgeous car to look at. 507s are awesome. YOU HAVE ONE. WE KNOW. YOU HAVE RED STITCHING. WE KNOW. YOU HAVE HOOD NOSTRILS AND GO FAST STICKERS, WE KNOW.
You also paid over $75K for a C class. Wake up.
You YOU of all the members on this forum are in immense denial that all you have is a p31 with some accents to get rid of extra surplus that Merc had. THE 507 WAS JUST A MARKETING GIMMICK TO SELL THE LAST OF THEM. ITS A CLASSIC STRATEGY BY CAR MANUFACTURERS.
Seriously, for you not to see beyond the marketing genius to sell the last of the cars at big profits and make buyers think they are getting something "special" is obvious your absolutely delusional and immature at that.
The C63 amg 507, cool car. Do a lot of us think the price tag for black mirrors and spolier and sticker is worth it? Not really.
I am so sick of reading about your overexcited posts that you have a 507. Enough already. When I see one, I love it. The C63 as a whole is a gorgeous car to look at. 507s are awesome. YOU HAVE ONE. WE KNOW. YOU HAVE RED STITCHING. WE KNOW. YOU HAVE HOOD NOSTRILS AND GO FAST STICKERS, WE KNOW.
You also paid over $75K for a C class. Wake up.
You YOU of all the members on this forum are in immense denial that all you have is a p31 with some accents to get rid of extra surplus that Merc had. THE 507 WAS JUST A MARKETING GIMMICK TO SELL THE LAST OF THEM. ITS A CLASSIC STRATEGY BY CAR MANUFACTURERS.
Seriously, for you not to see beyond the marketing genius to sell the last of the cars at big profits and make buyers think they are getting something "special" is obvious your absolutely delusional and immature at that.
The C63 amg 507, cool car. Do a lot of us think the price tag for black mirrors and spolier and sticker is worth it? Not really.
What?? Overexcited posts? WTF are you talking about?
Seriously dude, take a chill pill. Or if it makes you feel good to think I or others who bought this car think we're special, have at it, it's stupid, but if it floats your boat, whatever.
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10-22-2016, 02:19 PM
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I paid $53K 2015 C63 507. Brand new factory order.
Fully loaded, except advanced driver assist.
Like it or not, the 507 is going to have much higher resale values than the "regular" c63. And that's a primary reason why I bought one.
Most journalists said it has unique parts and that's what most people will go by. That and MB's marketing. For example, Johnny Lieberman said it has the Black Series brakes.
Oh and let's not forget it has over 500 HP stock and the P31 does not!
As far as collectors view the market, it makes all the difference. There's no comparison to a "regular" C63.
Fully loaded, except advanced driver assist.
Like it or not, the 507 is going to have much higher resale values than the "regular" c63. And that's a primary reason why I bought one.
Most journalists said it has unique parts and that's what most people will go by. That and MB's marketing. For example, Johnny Lieberman said it has the Black Series brakes.
Oh and let's not forget it has over 500 HP stock and the P31 does not!
As far as collectors view the market, it makes all the difference. There's no comparison to a "regular" C63.
10-22-2016, 02:41 PM
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10-22-2016, 02:54 PM
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That was the complete sentence. Are you are saying that is the enthusiasts view point and not your own? Cos that makes more sense to me, but even then that is a matter of opinion that can only be tested over time, and I think its safe to say we have a fairly decent selection of C63 enthusiasts here on this site. I myself passed on a 507 that was the same price as lower mileage, better optioned P31 that I did buy, and that is my third W204 C63. I think that qualifies me as a knowledgeable enthusiast. So given the price differential originally, the 507 did not hold value better.
10-22-2016, 03:00 PM
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Yeah, sure, let's talk in 20 years, and you'll see which has held its value better!
But even now, the 507s will sell faster and or for more money, because the media has done a great job at pushing the perceived value. And it IS more valuable, because they made fewer of them.
Your argument is fine- mechanically they are almost the same. But collectors don't really care. They care about exclusivity and supply (all other things being equal, which they are... kind of).
I say kind of, because there is a different, aluminum hood, wheels, etc, MORE power (I am not talking about a "Tune" - I am talking about stock power. And when these cars go up at auction, the auctioneer will say it has "FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVEN HP"... and lots of rich guys will bid more because of that.
And don't forget the Designo interior that all 507s have.
We need to separate the argument -- there's market value and there's intrinsic value. You are arguing the latter, and I agree with you there - the extra ~$8K that MB charged for the 507 wasn't worth it, on an intrinsic value basis.
But for market value, oh yeah, absolutely, it was...
Oh and for bragging rights... for those who care about that
But even now, the 507s will sell faster and or for more money, because the media has done a great job at pushing the perceived value. And it IS more valuable, because they made fewer of them.
Your argument is fine- mechanically they are almost the same. But collectors don't really care. They care about exclusivity and supply (all other things being equal, which they are... kind of).
I say kind of, because there is a different, aluminum hood, wheels, etc, MORE power (I am not talking about a "Tune" - I am talking about stock power. And when these cars go up at auction, the auctioneer will say it has "FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVEN HP"... and lots of rich guys will bid more because of that.
And don't forget the Designo interior that all 507s have.
We need to separate the argument -- there's market value and there's intrinsic value. You are arguing the latter, and I agree with you there - the extra ~$8K that MB charged for the 507 wasn't worth it, on an intrinsic value basis.
But for market value, oh yeah, absolutely, it was...
Oh and for bragging rights... for those who care about that
10-22-2016, 03:27 PM
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I dont know about length of time for resale. Seems the same to me. But they are not selling for higher amounts equal to the extra cost originally. They may be selling for higher amounts due to the year of manufacture and the balance of warranty remaining. That would be a prime consideration to me, but warranties expire.
Which is achieved via a tune. No mechanical powertrain difference from a P31
I have seen the way alcantara ages. That is working against you actually.
That seems to be the reason most 507 owners value them most of all, and thats what ruffles feathers.
Once more, for the record, I think its a great car. I personally could easily justify the extra dosh. But Im a little worn out on a certain crew of 507s acting like the girl who had A cup ***** walking around like she just got some bolt on 38Ds and sneering at the girls with 36's.
Ill stop trying to take the 507 down a peg when those guys stop acting like they are 6 rungs up the ladder. It is an APPEARANCE package.
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10-22-2016, 03:49 PM
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I'mma take this one at a time.
No they won't. In fact, even BS cars are taking a hit in the market.
They can be had for $75k.
No one's gonna care. You can swap in 390mm brake rotors for a few grand. Nothing special to that...
With $700, you can have yourself a tune on any C63 that will perform better and have more than 500HP. Again, moot point here.
Let's get this straight -- there is no collector market for a 507. In fact, there's barely a collector market for a C63 Black Series or CLK63 Black Series, hence why prices are going down. And, if a collector market does come to fruition, a 507, is most certainly not going to be at the top of anyone's Mercedes-Benz collector ticket.
I agree with what others have said, the 507 is cool. But that's all it is. Period. Sorry to break it to you. Prove me wrong in 20 years when you sell it for what you bought it for, but then take into consideration the time value of money and inflation. You'll lose.
They can be had for $75k.
With $700, you can have yourself a tune on any C63 that will perform better and have more than 500HP. Again, moot point here.
I agree with what others have said, the 507 is cool. But that's all it is. Period. Sorry to break it to you. Prove me wrong in 20 years when you sell it for what you bought it for, but then take into consideration the time value of money and inflation. You'll lose.
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It does not. Look at the part numbers.
Thats the kind of malarkey that makes me crazy,
cos its just not based in fact. There are 100 people
on this site who know more about C63 brakes than Johnny.
10-22-2016, 04:15 PM
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So I have a full leather nappa Designo interior. No Alcantara or whatever MB calls it, except for the steering wheel of course.
I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying: the 507 package WILL be worth more. Collectors value rarity and special parts, and STOCK cars. A tune is not stock, even if MB does it the same way. And true or not, the 507 was marketed as a very different car from regular c63s. Car and Driver, etc is what every collector will be referencing when they want to buy one.
It's too soon to have a collector market, but it will happen.
Oh and higher priced, rarer cars ALWAYS hold their value more than similar cars that are sold on higher volumes or with fewer options. Compare the depreciation of a BMW 1 series M to that of a 135i. Or look at a Z8. And there are many many examples.
If you are interested in maximizing long term value, the rarer and more expensive the better!
I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying: the 507 package WILL be worth more. Collectors value rarity and special parts, and STOCK cars. A tune is not stock, even if MB does it the same way. And true or not, the 507 was marketed as a very different car from regular c63s. Car and Driver, etc is what every collector will be referencing when they want to buy one.
It's too soon to have a collector market, but it will happen.
Oh and higher priced, rarer cars ALWAYS hold their value more than similar cars that are sold on higher volumes or with fewer options. Compare the depreciation of a BMW 1 series M to that of a 135i. Or look at a Z8. And there are many many examples.
If you are interested in maximizing long term value, the rarer and more expensive the better!
10-22-2016, 04:36 PM
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From Car and Driver review (emphasis my own):
"Perhaps to make the end of production a little easier to swallow—and to move the last of the C63s —AMG is offering the Edition 507 package on both the sedan and the coupe"
"What the 507 option doesn’t do is make the C63 any quicker than the ’12 C63 coupe........ that 481-hp C63 was the quickest of any C63 we’ve encountered, hitting 60 mph in 3.7 seconds , quicker than what we saw in the 510-hp Black Series.....We tested a C63 507 sedan, which is lighter than the coupe by 45 pounds and managed a 3.8-second time. The take-away from all of this test talk: Every C63 we’ve ever run hit 60 mph in less than four seconds"
"Maybe it’s because it won’t be around much longer, but we want a C63 more than ever. That said, we’d probably skip the Edition 507 and save the $10,000. That’s a lot of money, and it doesn’t make an already special car—one we’ll remember fondly long after its impending retirement—any more special"
Still thinking Car and Driver is gonna pump up your tires? Heres the full article btw:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...07-test-review
Enough with the opinions and the facts that wouldn't pass the sniff test at Presidential elections. It's not faster than other C63s or rarer than a Black series, it has no individual mechanical parts that make it more powerful or stop quicker. It does not have Black Series brakes or SLS GT cams or any of the other stuff that 507 owners keeps saying they have. Tell the guys at work that. I don't care. Tell yourself that. Again, I don't care. Just don't try to tell me that, and stop acting like it is a distinct model from a regular C63. Only the Black Series has that distinction.
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10-22-2016, 04:47 PM
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I never said the 507 was faster or better. But it is different and it is a unique model. Hence the dash plaque 
But it's $10K more, so it all kind of balances out. The way I see it, the $10K will more than pay for itself when I sell it at auction in 20+ years. If you don't agree, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But if you want to maximize long term value, you have to think like a collector, not an enthusiast.
Finally, note that every publication talks about the 507 as if it's the only one with the improvements. I know it's not accurate, but it doesn't matter from a collector's standpoint.
We we are also not even discussing the significant improvements MB made to the suspension and chassis over the production run - I guess this applies to the non 507s as well, don't know. Read the Australian magazine review that compared the 507 to the M4 for more info.
Topspeed:
Mercedes has just announced the addition of an even more powerful version to its C-Class lineup
. Called C63 AMG "Edition 507" – the “507” is a clear indication of the engine’s output - the new model will use much of the same technology as the SLS AMG supercar. The new elements - including forged pistons, connecting rods and a lightweight crankshaft - will transform the new "Edition 507" into a more powerful, yet lighter sports model.
The new C63 AMG "Edition 507" will also be distinguished by design elements seen on models like the C63 AMG Coupe Black Series . These extra styling elements combined with the anticipated power hike definitely get our attention.
So, if you happen to be one of those crazy people that think the 451-horsepower C63 AMG is just a little too timid for you, the "Edition 507" just might be the car for you. Or maybe you would prefer a fighter jet; better yet, a rocket ship… Yeah, that may satisfy your itch for speed!
But it's $10K more, so it all kind of balances out. The way I see it, the $10K will more than pay for itself when I sell it at auction in 20+ years. If you don't agree, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But if you want to maximize long term value, you have to think like a collector, not an enthusiast.
Finally, note that every publication talks about the 507 as if it's the only one with the improvements. I know it's not accurate, but it doesn't matter from a collector's standpoint.
We we are also not even discussing the significant improvements MB made to the suspension and chassis over the production run - I guess this applies to the non 507s as well, don't know. Read the Australian magazine review that compared the 507 to the M4 for more info.
Topspeed:
Mercedes has just announced the addition of an even more powerful version to its C-Class lineup
. Called C63 AMG "Edition 507" – the “507” is a clear indication of the engine’s output - the new model will use much of the same technology as the SLS AMG supercar. The new elements - including forged pistons, connecting rods and a lightweight crankshaft - will transform the new "Edition 507" into a more powerful, yet lighter sports model.
The new C63 AMG "Edition 507" will also be distinguished by design elements seen on models like the C63 AMG Coupe Black Series . These extra styling elements combined with the anticipated power hike definitely get our attention.
So, if you happen to be one of those crazy people that think the 451-horsepower C63 AMG is just a little too timid for you, the "Edition 507" just might be the car for you. Or maybe you would prefer a fighter jet; better yet, a rocket ship… Yeah, that may satisfy your itch for speed!
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I'm sure everyone has seen this, but as a case in point, watch Chris Harris' farewell video to the 6.2L V8:
https://youtu.be/tjCsJkFSCzI
Every collector will be watching this 20+ years from now. And note how at 2:19 into the video he talks about the 507 as having the special SLS derived engine parts. They made it seem like only the 507 had these parts. Wrong, but most people will think this is the way only the 507s came.
Marketing is everything when it comes to value determination.
https://youtu.be/tjCsJkFSCzI
Every collector will be watching this 20+ years from now. And note how at 2:19 into the video he talks about the 507 as having the special SLS derived engine parts. They made it seem like only the 507 had these parts. Wrong, but most people will think this is the way only the 507s came.
Marketing is everything when it comes to value determination.
10-22-2016, 05:02 PM
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All of those improvements you talked about are already in the P31 package.
This is what the 507 got that was not in the P31 already.
ECU tune
Hood scoops
Different wheels
Stripes
Black DRL trim instead of chrome
Black grill trim instead of chrome
Alcantara inserts in seats and door panels
Alcantara shifter
Plaques
I am referring to Canada btw, cos you are in Canada and so am I. Forged internals, LSD, carbon fibre trim, carbon fibre folding rear view mirrors, 2 piece rotors with red callipers and on and on and on already came on the P31. There are no other meaningful mechanical differences, beneficial to performance, that were not already available with the P31 package. None.
You are emotionally invested here. I get that. I love my car too. But it is an appearance package and other than incomplete, inaccurate cut and paste reviews you have nothing to show that says otherwise. You mention a magazine, I give you direct quotes, and you go to another magazine. I have seen this debate tactic somewhere before.
Having said all of that....I will admit a stock 507 is prettier than a stock P31/non-P31. But thats all it is. Prettier. And the Black tops them all.
EDIT: For clarity, I want to say I was referring to the state of AutoJournalism these days when I refer to "incomplete, inaccurate cut and paste reviews" and not to how you are posting. I think most reviews these days are cut out of press releases and as a result are pretty slanted and biased without the writer even realizing it. This would be a case in point. The only reason I used the C&D review was cos you had mentioned it. Anyways, my apologies if thats how it sounded.
This is what the 507 got that was not in the P31 already.
ECU tune
Hood scoops
Different wheels
Stripes
Black DRL trim instead of chrome
Black grill trim instead of chrome
Alcantara inserts in seats and door panels
Alcantara shifter
Plaques
I am referring to Canada btw, cos you are in Canada and so am I. Forged internals, LSD, carbon fibre trim, carbon fibre folding rear view mirrors, 2 piece rotors with red callipers and on and on and on already came on the P31. There are no other meaningful mechanical differences, beneficial to performance, that were not already available with the P31 package. None.
You are emotionally invested here. I get that. I love my car too. But it is an appearance package and other than incomplete, inaccurate cut and paste reviews you have nothing to show that says otherwise. You mention a magazine, I give you direct quotes, and you go to another magazine. I have seen this debate tactic somewhere before.
Having said all of that....I will admit a stock 507 is prettier than a stock P31/non-P31. But thats all it is. Prettier. And the Black tops them all.
EDIT: For clarity, I want to say I was referring to the state of AutoJournalism these days when I refer to "incomplete, inaccurate cut and paste reviews" and not to how you are posting. I think most reviews these days are cut out of press releases and as a result are pretty slanted and biased without the writer even realizing it. This would be a case in point. The only reason I used the C&D review was cos you had mentioned it. Anyways, my apologies if thats how it sounded.
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10-22-2016, 05:03 PM
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Not the people who will buy one for real dosh 20+ years from now. Those people will know more about the cars than either you or I do today, and they will certainly know which models had the goodies. How much do you think the guys shelling out for air cooled 911s know about them? Everything.
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You're not really reading my posts. Or just don't get it.
It's not about the performance differences or if the 507 is "worth it" or is different enough than the regular C63.
It's about rarity. And about what collectors will value.
I disagree with the last comment. Collectors who know their stuff are absolutely going to go for the 507 - if the price is the same, that's a no brainer. And because of basic economics (supply and demand) the 507 will command a price premium. How much remains to be seen of course.
I realize that 99% of people here don't have a 507. You paid less and got 99% the same car. That's great! It all balances out.
But don't make it seem like there's no difference to the market. That's incorrect.
It's not about the performance differences or if the 507 is "worth it" or is different enough than the regular C63.
It's about rarity. And about what collectors will value.
I disagree with the last comment. Collectors who know their stuff are absolutely going to go for the 507 - if the price is the same, that's a no brainer. And because of basic economics (supply and demand) the 507 will command a price premium. How much remains to be seen of course.
I realize that 99% of people here don't have a 507. You paid less and got 99% the same car. That's great! It all balances out.
But don't make it seem like there's no difference to the market. That's incorrect.
10-22-2016, 05:36 PM
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You're not really reading my posts. Or just don't get it.
It's not about the performance differences or if the 507 is "worth it" or is different enough than the regular C63.
It's about rarity. And about what collectors will value.
I disagree with the last comment. Collectors who know their stuff are absolutely going to go for the 507 - if the price is the same, that's a no brainer. And because of basic economics (supply and demand) the 507 will command a price premium. How much remains to be seen of course.
I realize that 99% of people here don't have a 507. You paid less and got 99% the same car. That's great! It all balances out.
But don't make it seem like there's no difference to the market. That's incorrect.
It's not about the performance differences or if the 507 is "worth it" or is different enough than the regular C63.
It's about rarity. And about what collectors will value.
I disagree with the last comment. Collectors who know their stuff are absolutely going to go for the 507 - if the price is the same, that's a no brainer. And because of basic economics (supply and demand) the 507 will command a price premium. How much remains to be seen of course.
I realize that 99% of people here don't have a 507. You paid less and got 99% the same car. That's great! It all balances out.
But don't make it seem like there's no difference to the market. That's incorrect.
My issue, perhaps not with you, is with a core group of 507 guys around here making wild claims about whats on the car, the performance of the car, the rarity of the car and who answer seemingly everything with something akin to "thats so cool! its even better/cooler/faster/rarer in a 507" and talk down a bit to non 507 owners.
I will grant you this much... I am sure that in the general population there is a perception that the 507 has so much more, cos there certainly seems to be enough current owners that think thats the case.
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Yeah totally agree with you. I'm not in that group of 507 owners at all! I totally get that the car is the same as a P31 C63.
I do remember feeling somewhat duped when I was learning more about the car a couple of years ago. Very review was of the 507 (since that's all MB was selling) and made it seem like the 507 had this unique engine, among other things.
And I'm a car guy. Plus I worked at Toyota in Japan, Ford and GM in manufacturing and finance.
I do remember feeling somewhat duped when I was learning more about the car a couple of years ago. Very review was of the 507 (since that's all MB was selling) and made it seem like the 507 had this unique engine, among other things.
And I'm a car guy. Plus I worked at Toyota in Japan, Ford and GM in manufacturing and finance.
