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Been MB for 26 yrs. Prior 10 Audi. Been S Class for 20 yrs.
Coming over from the 221 board.
Just bought 2012 Cl 550, w/ 24k miles, one owner, black/black, Sport, P2 and more stuff than I can remember, but know costs tons when it fails. MB shows car is straight and has been maintained. 16 months of MB warr. left. Private sale; no Mannheim.
Deep breath.
What would be a reasonable price? Forget the "Blue" books and such. I live in the upper Midwest. I struggled to find non-dlr. comps. I own it, so there's no turning it back in. Just looking for something to make me cry or make me feel okay.
Been MB for 26 yrs. Prior 10 Audi. Been S Class for 20 yrs.
Coming over from the 221 board.
Just bought 2012 Cl 550, w/ 24k miles, one owner, black/black, Sport, P2 and more stuff than I can remember, but know costs tons when it fails. MB shows car is straight and has been maintained. 16 months of MB warr. left. Private sale; no Mannheim.
Deep breath.
What would be a reasonable price? Forget the "Blue" books and such. I live in the upper Midwest. I struggled to find non-dlr. comps. I own it, so there's no turning it back in. Just looking for something to make me cry or make me feel okay.
Thanks.
Autotrader has 2012 cl550 with about 10k-14k miles around $65,000 to $68,000 asking
Just wondering about value. Not price, as such. One gets what the pay for, but most folks take comfort in knowing whether they feel they got a fair/reasonable deal and not "taken". That's the gist of my query. Hard to explain. Add to that rumors the coupe's are difficult to sell and I just have uncertainties.
It's still being prepped. I don't have, but anticipate getting it, that's for sure. Been in Designo S550 AWD.
Just wondering about value. Not price, as such. One gets what the pay for, but most folks take comfort in knowing whether they feel they got a fair/reasonable deal and not "taken". That's the gist of my query. Hard to explain. Add to that rumors the coupe's are difficult to sell and I just have uncertainties.
It's still being prepped. I don't have, but anticipate getting it, that's for sure. Been in Designo S550 AWD.
Thanks for relying.
Hopefully you paid around there or less. I think you'll enjoy it, it's a rare car and basically the s class so you're used to the size
I have an Manheim subscription. The wholesale on your car ranges from 48-52. The retail depends on who is selling the car. 040 Black tends to bring less money, as you can see by the Kelly Blue Book (because they deduct for black) alas, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The problem is the dealers ordered most of the cars in black, so the market is loaded in non metallic non Designo black CL's. Expect to retail it yourself for about 55-58 depending on condition and miles. Being a car with a warranty, helps for sure. If you paid more than that for the car and you financed it, you own it for the duration of the loan. The 2013 CL's are bringing about 65-69K retail, depending on who and where you buy it from, also color is a major factor as well. You bought the right year 11-14 are the best. Just drive it and enjoy.
Thanks for the info. I am in for 56.9 delivered, plus taxes, license etc. Tax is not de minimus, but the rest is. 030092 off the line. I am the 2nd titled owner.
They drop like bricks, but "such is life". It's a beauty to view and a joy to drive.
The darn sticker was 130. Unbelievable early yrs. depreciation. Not for the faint of heart..... or hourly guy, I would guess.
Sadly, I still have my S550....of which I am getting low ball offers.
Kinda like squeezing one of those long, wiener shaped carnival balloons.Squeeze down one end of it and the other gets bigger. Pay me now or pay me later.
You did well on your pricing so you have NOTHING to fear. You bought one of the correct model years 11-14 are the only years to own. From both a styling and technology standpoint. You will however have to just take what you can get for your 07 S 550. They were beautiful but the refresh with the newer technology and engine in 12-13 made the car obsolete in most all respects. Take your lumps and move on. Or use the S550, as a beater and not worry about what happens to it. I think if you get 18K, you will be lucky. At this point it is an expensive to repair, old used car. Hope you didn't pay a lot for it, that way selling it wont hurt so bad. Enjoy that magnificently beautiful work of art, CL. You made a very smart purchase!!!!
Well. lads, I first appreciate your caring enough to share opinions I respect. Hate to put dollars, as a good deal/bad deal benchmark, but it's a major factor. But, to me, it's equal or more about fair value than raw dollars. I find satisfaction in getting a sense I worked a fair deal, price-wise. I figure, w/ all the gadgets it has and only 24.550 miles, plus 14 months factory warranty, I managed a good buying situation. It's surely a joy to drive. I opted for the CL vs. another S, due to the two doors, mainly. Sounds silly, but an aging, 6'3", 280 # has-been appreciates the easier entrance/exit. Until, of course, I'm in a tight parking stall.....
Happy to hear many appreciate and enjoy the flagship S. Does kinda spoil one, no?
Since when has an S been called the Flagship? S Sedan's are not the Flagship. The CL was the Flagship until the S Coupe took its place. Not even the Maybach S 600 is the Flagship, the S 65 Coupe is still the leader.
Rhetorical statement on my part. S/Cl or whatever. It's still the flagship "class", if not by model, IMO. E's et al are fine, but they're wannabe's. Geez, I can hardly wait for this fallout.
Here's some info, I found interesting....
Sales data for model yr.....
Mercedes S. 8987 Tesla S. 8500 BMW 7. 4391 Lexus LS. 3072 Porsche Panamera. 2055 Audi A8. 1870 Jaguar XJ. 1547 Equuis. 989
The surprise to me is the surging Tesla sales. BMW, Audi and Lexus are aging designs and will not show sales resurgence until redesigns, IMO. Frankly, the glorified Hyundai, IMO, is a helluva car. Sickly sales, I presume, are to the wanabe perception. The A8 Audi, great machine, but, again, a four yr. old platform.
No, I'm sorry to say the S Class is and hasn't been Mercedes Flagship for quite a very long time.
As for the sales of the other cars, there are reasons why each are in such low production numbers. The Jaguar XJ is a joke, the Tesla doesn't have a long enough range for travel ( not enough infrastructure). The Panamera has never been a fan favorite, the Lexus is very reined but not a German car with no real HP to speak of plus it is geared towards a crowd that is dying faster than the Greek economy. The 7 Series isn't selling because the 2016 is a totally new car and everyone is waiting for it to arrive and the S isn't doing as well as the previous generation and lastly the Equuis is just a Korean car which is out of its league for its buyers. Its just like the Phaeton for VW. No one is going to pay that kind of money for a VW. The same issue is what FORD is dealing with on its cars that are starting in the 40K plus range. You over reach your market and it kills off your sales. The A8 is overshadowed by the A7 and the rest of younger line up. As you said the A8 is old and tired and is just a lump of a car. Just as the new S Class sedan. Its beautiful to be in but a blob to look at. The bass mouth grille, the dropping eyes. It's a mess. I'm surprised it is selling as well as it is.
I believe Tesla sales are primarily constrained by the rate they can be manufactured and the availability of batteries. Tesla is building their own battery factory due to the inability of other manufacturers to provide enough batteries.
You are right. That is one factor, another is being able to sell them. Texas the AHole State is causing them troubles as well. I also think they body style needs some tweaking ( its due for a little facelift) plus infrastructures and battery life are still an issue. If you can get a battery to last at least 400 freeway miles and there are always a charging station, Tesla will be very successful. Oh and also, the charging time needs to be as fast as filling a tank full of gas. Just a few hold backs that I am sure they will sort out over time. The car for what it is, is actually very reasonably priced. The sad thing is that the Fisker should have been the Tesla. The design of the Fisker was amazing and beyond special.
No, I'm sorry to say the S Class is and hasn't been Mercedes Flagship for quite a very long time.
As for the sales of the other cars, there are reasons why each are in such low production numbers. The Jaguar XJ is a joke, the Tesla doesn't have a long enough range for travel ( not enough infrastructure). The Panamera has never been a fan favorite, the Lexus is very reined but not a German car with no real HP to speak of plus it is geared towards a crowd that is dying faster than the Greek economy. The 7 Series isn't selling because the 2016 is a totally new car and everyone is waiting for it to arrive and the S isn't doing as well as the previous generation and lastly the Equuis is just a Korean car which is out of its league for its buyers. Its just like the Phaeton for VW. No one is going to pay that kind of money for a VW. The same issue is what FORD is dealing with on its cars that are starting in the 40K plus range. You over reach your market and it kills off your sales. The A8 is overshadowed by the A7 and the rest of younger line up. As you said the A8 is old and tired and is just a lump of a car. Just as the new S Class sedan. Its beautiful to be in but a blob to look at. The bass mouth grille, the dropping eyes. It's a mess. I'm surprised it is selling as well as it is.
I agree with most of your thoughts, but the w221 sold better than the w222 is?
That would be correct. The W221 sold better than the new W222 is. The W221 sold closer to 300K units over a 7 year run. The W222 isn't doing nearly that well.
I totally agree. What they should have done was to smooth the front fenders like they did on the CL and completely put all the technology and the new interior into the existing W221 and continue with the same beautiful styling.
I think the W221 is a much more beautiful and distinguished car than the W222. Now that the W222 is out, the values of the W221 are in the tank. Mercedes should know better and stop changing models so quickly. The W221 could have gone another 4 years with a slight refresh. They didn't need to do a full change. The W222 is just about the ugliest S class since the bread box of the mid to late 90's. Now instead of being a box on wheels its a bathtub on wheel. OVERBLOATED is all I can see and that BASS mouth grille looks likes its ready to eat as many fish as it can swallow.
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I totally agree. What they should have done was to smooth the front fenders like they did on the CL and completely put all the technology and the new interior into the existing W221 and continue with the same beautiful styling.
I think the W221 is a much more beautiful and distinguished car than the W222. Now that the W222 is out, the values of the W221 are in the tank. Mercedes should know better and stop changing models so quickly. The W221 could have gone another 4 years with a slight refresh. They didn't need to do a full change. The W222 is just about the ugliest S class since the bread box of the mid to late 90's. Now instead of being a box on wheels its a bathtub on wheel. OVERBLOATED is all I can see and that BASS mouth grille looks likes its ready to eat as many fish as it can swallow.
I want to but cant. The W221 is just a more beautiful car from a design standpoint. I think the new S Class lacks beauty. It has the feel of how the LINCOLN TOWN CAR turned into an upside down bathtub in 1998 and wasn't corrected until 2003. They will correct the mistake but usually if a car isn't a success from the get go, it usually is doomed until the end of the run. Sometimes the facelifts come to late and the designers move in another direction after correcting the mistakes, a stop gap if you will. Sales are what matters and their slump in sales will force a very quick refresh.
Ps. I know you asked me a rhetorical question. I love your car on the RIGHT in the picture. I personally love the refresh of the 11-14 CL version, if you can afford to keep it when it comes time to buy another car, sell the pre face lift and always keep the post facelift car, they are beyond relevant and will be around a very long time. They are also the rarest of the production runs.
I want to but cant. The W221 is just a more beautiful car from a design standpoint. I think the new S Class lacks beauty. It has the feel of how the LINCOLN TOWN CAR turned into an upside down bathtub in 1998 and wasn't corrected until 2003. They will correct the mistake but usually if a car isn't a success from the get go, it usually is doomed until the end of the run. Sometimes the facelifts come to late and the designers move in another direction after correcting the mistakes, a stop gap if you will. Sales are what matters and their slump in sales will force a very quick refresh.
I agree. I just don't know why they would move away from the muscular look they had to go do what EVERYONE else is doing with their body lines.
I find that a car that looks like it is in motion is the prettiest, sexiest and most appealing. Short deck long front. The W221 is full on SEXY. Just a few tweaks on the exterior would been a really nice facelift. Maybe change the headlamps, smooth off the front fenders and sculpt the hood. Those would be my ONLY exterior change. Then give massive color choices and redesign the interior with the new W222 electronics and seating, then the car would have gone on for many more years, thus retaining the value of the other models. Now, you have no design value, whatsoever. I think the new CEO or design manager should be FIRED! Good thing you have the W221, if I find a fantastic S600 Full Designo for 12-13 in a color I love Im buying it just to keep, Beauty is beauty no matter if the model is current or not.
new s class sales down? i dont think so: and this was 2014 only:
dated: Friday, October 17, 2014
New Mercedes-Benz S-Class Makes it Big with 100,000 Sales in a Year
Mercedes-Benz has struck it big with the all-new S-Class sedan, racking up more than 100,000 sales worldwide since its launch a year ago.
This is for the first time Mercedes-Benz has sold as many S-Class models in the first year of full availability, making it the most successful market launch of an S-Class ever. Mercedes-Benz is also proud that the new S-Class also had the fastest market launch ever, having arrived in less than twelve weeks in all its three core markets: Germany (end of July 2013), China (end of September 2013) and the United States (mid-October 2013).
Since the start of this year, Mercedes-Benz has sold 75,391 S-Class models, twice as many as in the same period of the previous year (+105.8 percent). As a result, more S-Class vehicles have been delivered to customers within the nine months of 2014 than in the full years 2012 or 2013. In September alone, Mercedes-Benz sold 9,501 S-Class luxury sedans (+139.3 percent).
The model’s biggest market is China, with almost every second S-Class delivered to customers going to the world’s largest car market. The second largest market for the luxury sedan is the US, where one quarter of all S-Classes is sold. Finally, the third most important market is Germany, accounting for one in ten sales.
Unsurprisingly, Mercedes-Benz sells the S-Class exclusively as a long-wheelbase model in China, with approximately 35 percent of S-Class models being ordered in China explicitly as a chauffeur-driven variant. The Chinese are the youngest S-Class customers: in their early 40s, they are on average 15 years younger than in Western Europe or the USA.
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