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They could even be the identical part #, I would opt for 5.5 na if desiring more power.
A wis search might yield specs but a vin is required for different engines.
Anyone have some engine 5th or 8th, 10th vin # codes. we can use for collecting camshaft specs from WIS? NA 430, NA500 and I can pull up the 5.5 na next time login in.
They could even be the identical part #, I would opt for 5.5 na if desiring more power.
A wis search might yield specs but a vin is required for different engines.
Anyone have some engine 5th or 8th, 10th vin # codes. we can use for collecting camshaft specs from WIS? NA 430, NA500 and I can pull up the 5.5 na next time login in.
Gator
Thanks for responding;
Really; the 5.5?
On that note I can get access to a CLK55 to get the VIN, but not until Monday.
BTW this is why I became so curious so far.
The AMG M113 4.3 made 302 HP and 302 ft-lbs of torque. The standard M113 4.3 made 275 HP and 295 ft-lbs of torque. What are the differences?
Asterisk represent identical parts
Part C43 AMG -------- Standard 430
Crankshaft 1130300401** 1130300401**
They could even be the identical part #, I would opt for 5.5 na if desiring more power.
A wis search might yield specs but a vin is required for different engines.
Anyone have some engine 5th or 8th, 10th vin # codes. we can use for collecting camshaft specs from WIS? NA 430, NA500 and I can pull up the 5.5 na next time login in.
Gator
Hi GatorMB So here are the VIV #s
CLK430 WBDLJ70G9XF098967 (my car)
CLK55 WDBLJ74G82T111048 (my friends car, that he bought for $500 and refuses to sell it to me, he's so selfish)
Hope this helps and thanks for your assistance again.
Here are the specs from WIS on the NA (naturally aspirated) 5.5.
These are CLK,E55 camshaft numbers W208.
The cams are coded on the sprocket mounting flange. Unfortunately the lift, duration and lobe centerline are not published
These are valve sizes for the 5.5 NA
These are part numbers for the Valves, If attempting to recut a NA430 head for these new seats and valves some port and polish work will be necessary.
Thanks again GatorMB, So far I'm noticing that the 430 & 500 share a lot of the same parts, according to them sharing the same engine number 113.940-971. But the 5.5 is 113.980-995.
So would you say that it is safe for me to assume that it should not matter; especially when it comes to the camshaft.
I guess my mission is to find out if all cams across the M113 spectrum would/might mount up and effectively operate.
So far I am about 100% sure that the M113 - 500 cams would fit, but I just don't know what the C43 and 500 cam specs are to compare them to the 500.
If there is no clarity in the parts difference Then why swap, Anyway I plugged in the NA430 vin into wis and came up with some results for comparison. Still have to edit the photos though. We need a Vin from any M113 5.0. Preferably CLK or E classs boneyard # ok.
When changing camshaft from different series engines like the 113x there are some variables to consider like firing order and piston to valve clearance. You must understand these before attempting a modification like this.
If a 430/55 is 15426378 it is possible to to have 13726548 pending cam clocking and wiring to coils arrangement. This can be modified.
The real way to collect proper information that we use is with a dial indicator and a degree wheel.
I was going to recommend Marcus or Blackbenz for these dimensions. I expected Wis to have it. Did find degreeing in the cams values info though.
The best that WIS will give is code for cam not real specs for computing piston to valve clearance or lift, duration. Values needed to compute many factors.
Will try to get the photos up this evening.
Cheers, Gator
All the C43 mechanical parts posted match the CLK430, so the only logical explanation for the 27 more HP would be intake, exhaust, and possibly computer tuning. It's not a huge difference. Some others here have reported real-world dyno gains of +10 HP to the wheels with just the 55 AMG intake box on the CLK430.
All the C43 mechanical parts posted match the CLK430, so the only logical explanation for the 27 more HP would be intake, exhaust, and possibly computer tuning. It's not a huge difference. Some others here have reported real-world dyno gains of +10 HP to the wheels with just the 55 AMG intake box on the CLK430.
Well, I am not denying your theory here jonUF02; you are right however about the airbox I am looking into acquiring one, but not all of the parts are a match.
Both you and GatorMB are making some good points, and I really do appreciate your time and inputs.
Notice again the only parts that didn't match between the C43 and the 430 were the Cams and injectors. But all others part numbers are identical which leads me to believe that the cams may be allowing more air to be delivered in some sort of enhanced way.
I guess my quest to doing this is because my 99 CLK430 has about 127,xxx miles. quite young still. So swapping to a more powerful M113 makes sense, but why remove such a low mileage motor for another unknown?
So yes I've often think my way out of things it is what I do... lol
But re-engineering is what I'm aiming for just like the Germans have been doing with our cars, so that is mainly where my thought process is at the moment.
Well, I am not denying your theory here jonUF02; you are right however about the airbox I am looking into acquiring one, but not all of the parts are a match.
Both you and GatorMB are making some good points, and I really do appreciate your time and inputs.
Notice again the only parts that didn't match between the C43 and the 430 were the Cams and injectors. But all others part numbers are identical which leads me to believe that the cams may be allowing more air to be delivered in some sort of enhanced way.
I guess my quest to doing this is because my 99 CLK430 has about 127,xxx miles. quite young still. So swapping to a more powerful M113 makes sense, but why remove such a low mileage motor for another unknown?
So yes I've often think my way out of things it is what I do... lol
But re-engineering is what I'm aiming for just like the Germans have been doing with our cars, so that is mainly where my thought process is at the moment.
I'm just going to say again as I have before, the easiest and cheapest way to a faster W208 will be to sell it and buy a 55 AMG. I've learned my lessons. If you want a faster car, just buy a car that was originally designed that way by a team of engineers that know what they're doing.
Well, I am not denying your theory here jonUF02; you are right however about the airbox I am looking into acquiring one, but not all of the parts are a match.
Both you and GatorMB are making some good points, and I really do appreciate your time and inputs.
Notice again the only parts that didn't match between the C43 and the 430 were the Cams and injectors. But all others part numbers are identical which leads me to believe that the cams may be allowing more air to be delivered in some sort of enhanced way.
I guess my quest to doing this is because my 99 CLK430 has about 127,xxx miles. quite young still. So swapping to a more powerful M113 makes sense, but why remove such a low mileage motor for another unknown?
So yes I've often think my way out of things it is what I do... lol
But re-engineering is what I'm aiming for just like the Germans have been doing with our cars, so that is mainly where my thought process is at the moment.
Lift and/or duration. That's what you'll find to be the difference in cams. If you're not sure what I mean, you may want to read this. Assuming a 500 cam has more lift and not more duration, the power level will increase and power curve will remain the same. If lift is the same and duration increases, the engine may make more power at higher revs at the possible expense of efficiency and power lower in the rev range. Increase both and power will probably go up. All power increases assume there's enough fuel and the intake isn't restricted. Is the intake restricted? Heck if I know. All I know is in 2001 the TB size was increased along with fuel changes, because . . . . . .
If the engine is strong and fresh, A 200 horse nitrous kit wold scare me.
Just ran across a jetta with one this morning what a rocket ship.
I agree with jonufo on the intake mod. we can still get specs from a CKL500 if wished most VIN numbers are published on craigslist and Ebay. While Wis will publish the valve sizes it can be determined that parts might be similar or better maybe worse.
The real way to collect the data required like Marcus site is to install a degree wheel and dial indicator.
If your goal is stock speed from the W208 chasis the AMG 55 as mentioned by Jon and Gator is the easiest method. If you want to modify for speed read the posts by black blackbenzz as he continues to push the limits of the W208.
If the engine is strong and fresh, A 200 horse nitrous kit wold scare me.
Just ran across a jetta with one this morning what a rocket ship.
I agree with jonufo on the intake mod. we can still get specs from a CKL500 if wished most VIN numbers are published on craigslist and Ebay. While Wis will publish the valve sizes it can be determined that parts might be similar or better maybe worse.
The real way to collect the data required like Marcus site is to install a degree wheel and dial indicator.
The thing here is I'm not trying to slow down the rotation of the planet, I've always wanted a Silver W208 (430) to be specific. And I found mine at the time of purchase in Sep 2015 119,XXX miles $3500.00 Pristine condition.
I 've almost racked up 10k miles since then lol
I will post pics tomorrow.
Look, If I get 300 - 330 out of it I think I'll be content because right after purchasing it I did the worst and test drove a 2015 M5 560 - 75HP... I had the thing for about 2 hours, I cant imaging driving a beast like that every day.
So I know what real engineered power feels like and I don't want it.
At lease not from my 430.
I guess this whole trip is just me trying to unlock some of the secrets if any in playing with different M113 parts,
Guys, I have a supercharger in my garage that would clear 100hp is I installed it, but really I'm not ready to get that deep into the mods as yet.
the 99 is the youngest MB I've ever owned I have a hand full of W111 and a R107 that I Megasquirted. I usually like em 30 and over.
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