tuikku

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E400cdi is with "older" tech, 1350bar and ecu made by Temic -> very difficult swap.
And quite difficult program to tune properly, but gives really nice power.

E 420cdi is with Boch edc-16 ecu 1600bar and piezo injectors and DPF.
Two ecus, program almost identical with same age-V6.

harkgar

Is there any advantage swapping the V-6 piezzo injectors into the straight 6 engine for power gains? Do they flow more diesel? I know there are more holes in them.

lkchris

I think you should consider it impossible.

Should obviously require a change in electronic control for one thing.

tuikku

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They have different ecuīs and different programs.
I am not sure, if that older program even do have piezo-alternative or do the ecu support piezo injectors. which have higher working voltage.
Working priciples are so differet, that it is sure, some changes must do in program.

Piezo injectors are very big.
Clearly bigger, than AMGīs.

harkgar

Thank you gentlemen.

It is easier to buy the soon to come out 2012 Chevy Camaro Z28 or 2011 Shelby Mustang GT500 and get 550+ bhp straight out of a bottle. Like the easy to keep and maintain "dirty" diesels these icons of American muscle will soon breathe their last with a tree-hugging liberal in the White House. Better buy one before they are outlawed.

DubVBenz

Curse those tree huggers! Let me ask you.. What if everyone is wrong about Global Warming, the environment, etc.. what's the worst that can happen? We clean things up for the sake of being clean? What a horrible outcome.

240D 3.0T

Incorrect.

Impossible, the computer cannot operate them.

They get 15mpg easier as well.

tuikku

Could you name the year, or model, where they could be found.
That program is a treasure.


...Or do you see any incongruity about what you have written...

240D 3.0T

05-06 E320 CDI.

tuikku

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Ok
The situation here, in Europe, might be a little different than there.

I have done many that age 320,s.
All inline engines have edc-16c2-7.xx ecu.
And I donīt know any car that ecu and piezo-injectors.
This is very common ecu in that age MB,s.

-05
It was possible to by that MB with both engines.
My opinion is, that they had already stopped inline engines manufacturing previously.
But there were still plenty of left, so they just put them in cars, and sold little cheaper.

-06 All 320cdi engines were V6

Why is this so "important".
The latest L6 engines have DPF.
So, being patient and lucky, i got two cars in my hands.
One with DPF, and the other not, with almost same program, only different was that DPF.
Just comparing programs I found, how the factory had put it in the program, so after that, I know how get rid of that.

Same thing with V6.
In the very beginning, it was possible to by that engine without DPF...

So, I donīt believe you, but same time, I do really hope, that you are right.
It would be almost like breakthrough - information, if it is possible.
These piezo-injectors are so good.
They get AMG,s looks like little boys messing around.

harkgar

In North America, the model years are counted differently from Europe. The car companies start selling next year's models from September of the current year, so we can buy now model year 2011 cars.

It is hard to balance diesel economy and diesel torque. We want both.

harkgar

The outcome can be very bad indeed.

We are made to buy battery cars (reduced choice).
We are made to buy small, less safe cars.
Performance is out the window.
Pressure from big government to junk classic muscle cars.
Higher taxes to subsidize "clunkers".
Stricter inspection rules for emissions. It started in Europe in the 1980s and called "MOT". All cars three years and older will be inspected every two years and if you fail you do not drive. Not just emission but everything. So sorry if you cannot afford to bring it up to some politician's standard. Do you know in Germany you are required to repair the bodywork of your car, including dents?

If you do not treasure your freedom they will glad and quickly take it away. That is why the Tea Partyers are so successful.

240D 3.0T

Unfortunately they are just sheep following sombeody's poorly informed opinions. "Ignorance loves company"

Forcing progress is a very bad thing. It produces things like the DPF, EGR and catalytic converter, devices that mask an engine's actual emissions instead of helping it to operate cleanly.

Since everyone is so worried about the environment, why does is it okay with everybody to drastically increase fuel consumption by choking the engine and holding back real technological advancement? Direct injection g@s engines were made 50 years ago, yet they're only now starting to be offered in mass production cars. Fuel injection was available 70 years ago yet it took until the 1990's for it to become common.

Politicians are forcing emissions limits to stupidly low levels at a rate impossible to develop clean technology for. As a result we get stuck with band-aids like the DPF until engineers get a break and time to think.

OK55

Interesting thread. Not sure I understand the final line on AMGs...
Brgds

Dread Specter

He's referring to the AMG injectors, from the european C30 amg, which has larger injectors than the E320 CDi and essentially the largest CDi injectors (I.e. Potential upgrade for us pre-bluetecers in North America)

edwinwalke

BS

DubVBenz

That guy has long since been banned, don't worry about his troll attempts.

harkgar

Does it mean that if piezzo injectors CAN be used with a new ECU that much more power is possible?

SPDMETL

Does anyone on this Forum HAVE an E420CDI ?

ImInPA

With all due respect, this is a forum to discuss MB and diesels in particular. If you are not American enough to support your duly elected president, then doesn't that actually make you a non-patriot? Take your erroneous political rhetoric back to your Fox News buddies at the Fox News forums. Thank you. Enough said.

harkgar

I was discussing political matters that are directly affecting diesel car enthusiasts in North America so I am not off topic. The politicians, including Presidents, are depriving us of choice of diesel vehicles for political reasons. Have you ever asked yourself why the Tea Partyers are gaining? This has nothing to do with Fox TV but everything to do with your Hawaiian socialist Hussein "O". I am not American enough to support your President because I am Canadian. Now let us talk about the nice rich black smoke that comes out of a tuned Finnish AMG 190D with a 5 speed stick.

Carsy

Green E-300 DT

Those two Bold statements are not true here in the US:

All 2005-2006 E-320 CDIs are straight sixes with 3.222 Liters.

None of those 2005-2006 straight sixes sold here in the US have DPFs.

That's one of the reasons I bought a 2005 instead of a 2007 with the V6 3.0 Liter all Aluminum motor.



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harkgar

There are only 2 mufflers located behind the rear wheel wells. No DPFs. No resonators. Perfect.

ImInPA

Then you are simply misinformed how the United States government operates. The President cannot pass any laws that impact anything. That is the role of the congress. Understanding your intent to bring up that it is possible that legislation may impact diesels, your fears are misdirected at the wrong branch of government. The real fact is that the Oil companies are arbitrarily reducing the east coast refining capacity by 43% through refinery closings. This will create an artificial shortage which will certainly drive up prices and their profits. As a fiscal conservative, this speaks to the need to regulate the obviously "crooked" oil industry. Keep in mind too that Obama and our Congress all make up the 1%. So, quit your complaining and vote to change things.