Viton O-Rings, where to get them?
09-19-2011, 05:19 PM
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Viton O-Rings, where to get them?
I know this question has been asked over a million times. I tried FryerPower.com, but they do not respond to e-mails, has anybody ordered from them recently or knows somebody who works there?
Or knows another on-line store that sells them retail(not in packages of 10 or 50)?
Or a store in Canada(Mtl)?
It's for a W210 Diesel.
Thank You.
Or knows another on-line store that sells them retail(not in packages of 10 or 50)?
Or a store in Canada(Mtl)?
It's for a W210 Diesel.
Thank You.
09-28-2011, 06:47 AM
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Well not exactly, Viton is not a brand but rather a branded material(Fluoropolymer) there's only a few companies that produce it each calling it a different name (Viton by DuPont, Dyneon by 3M, Dai-El by Daikin, etc..), and I am planing to do the Vegie conversion once the car runs well, so not any O-Ring would do.
I just finally got mine from FryerPower.com, advice for anybody ordering from them e-mail the guy first, because he runs it alone so if he's out of town your order won't ship till he gets back.
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Thanks for the reply Cran.
I just finally got mine from FryerPower.com, advice for anybody ordering from them e-mail the guy first, because he runs it alone so if he's out of town your order won't ship till he gets back.
P.S. Moderators can delete this thread.
Thanks for the reply Cran.
10-02-2011, 09:12 AM
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Well the increase in pollution is sorta offset by the fuel being 'greener' in the first place, and don't worry I'm planing a dual tank system, possibly never exceeding 60% vegie to diesel ratio... I want to test it out see how the car behaves and if it makes sense financially if so I'll carry on, if not I'll abandon that project
10-04-2011, 05:44 PM
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Waste oil is not green at all, its not a fuel either. It takes diesel equipment to farm the crops, electricity to extract and refine the oil, etc etc. At absolute best it comes out 1:1 with petro fuels. In cases like ethanol it comes out much worse.
Rather than killing the engine running garbage through it and hacking up the car body to fit a second tank, use biodiesel instead. It was designed specifically as a fuel and removes all of waste oil's destructive properties. Its legal too.
Rather than killing the engine running garbage through it and hacking up the car body to fit a second tank, use biodiesel instead. It was designed specifically as a fuel and removes all of waste oil's destructive properties. Its legal too.
10-16-2011, 10:43 AM
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Not true in case of WVO since it's going to waste....
And as for Biodiesel highest concentration available in my area is B5 which is a joke, and to add insult to injury it is up to 20% more expensive..... So no thank you.
And as for Biodiesel highest concentration available in my area is B5 which is a joke, and to add insult to injury it is up to 20% more expensive..... So no thank you.
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That is flat out wrong.
It is all recycled. Livestock feed, biodiesel, power generation, cosmetics, etc etc.
Burning it in an on-highway vehicle is not only illegal but very dirty since the engine isn't designed to run on it and it causes cumulative engine damage.
It is all recycled. Livestock feed, biodiesel, power generation, cosmetics, etc etc.
Burning it in an on-highway vehicle is not only illegal but very dirty since the engine isn't designed to run on it and it causes cumulative engine damage.
10-25-2011, 06:13 AM
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Cran you need to do some more research... Diesel engines were created to run on oil... Peanut oil to be a little more specific. If the WVO is filtered properly and is heated to 160 degrees F in the second tank before injected into the engine it will run cleaner than diesel fuel with absolutely 0 damage potential. Where did you hear that running WVO is illegal? It is 100% legal as long as a tax is paid to the state and fed govt. That goes for any fuel including biodiesel brewed in a persons garage...
10-25-2011, 05:15 PM
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Please do some research.
If the WVO is filtered properly and is heated to 160 degrees F in the second tank before injected into the engine it will run cleaner than diesel fuel with absolutely 0 damage potential.
What is done about the 20% glycerin content? What is done about the dissolved food fats? What is done to neutralize acid content? What is done to remove water?
Filtering and heat only address viscosity and particle contamination. They do nothing to correct VO's damage causing glycerin and fat or the injection pump eating acids.
Where did you hear that running WVO is illegal?
Ref. Russo.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
It is 100% legal as long as a tax is paid to the state and fed govt.
There are no conversions certified by the EPA for emissions or DOT for safety.
That goes for any fuel including biodiesel brewed in a persons garage.
Biodiesel is a standardized fuel certified by the EPA and engine manufacturers to use on public roads.
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10-25-2011, 06:08 PM
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It was my understanding that Rudolph Diesel's first diesel prototype tried to use coal dust but blew up and after that went to vegetable oil and the motor worked.
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That is false information. Diesels were created to run on coal dust.
Please do some research.
That is false information.
What is done about the 20% glycerin content? What is done about the dissolved food fats? What is done to neutralize acid content? What is done to remove water?
Filtering and heat only address viscosity and particle contamination. They do nothing to correct VO's damage causing glycerin and fat or the injection pump eating acids.
Directly from the EPA, the Governor of California and DOT.
Ref. Russo.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
That is false information.
There are no conversions certified by the EPA for emissions or DOT for safety.
That is false information.
Biodiesel is a standardized fuel certified by the EPA and engine manufacturers to use on public roads.
Please do some research.
That is false information.
What is done about the 20% glycerin content? What is done about the dissolved food fats? What is done to neutralize acid content? What is done to remove water?
Filtering and heat only address viscosity and particle contamination. They do nothing to correct VO's damage causing glycerin and fat or the injection pump eating acids.
Directly from the EPA, the Governor of California and DOT.
Ref. Russo.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
That is false information.
There are no conversions certified by the EPA for emissions or DOT for safety.
That is false information.
Biodiesel is a standardized fuel certified by the EPA and engine manufacturers to use on public roads.
http://www.boe.ca.gov/sptaxprog/faqbio.htm
How is it California is taxing something illegal? As for the fats and water, heating the oil gets rid of the water and makes the fat neutral when it comes to "Damage". As for the injectors and the IP, heated VO actually lubricates the IP and injectors better than biodiesel and D#2. I agree with you as far as damage is concerned, Damage to the engine will occur if the vehicle is not equipped with a second heated tank or heated injector lines.
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Waste oil is not green at all, its not a fuel either. It takes diesel equipment to farm the crops, electricity to extract and refine the oil, etc etc. At absolute best it comes out 1:1 with petro fuels. In cases like ethanol it comes out much worse.
Rather than killing the engine running garbage through it and hacking up the car body to fit a second tank, use biodiesel instead. It was designed specifically as a fuel and removes all of waste oil's destructive properties. Its legal too.
Rather than killing the engine running garbage through it and hacking up the car body to fit a second tank, use biodiesel instead. It was designed specifically as a fuel and removes all of waste oil's destructive properties. Its legal too.
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speaking as someone who actually converted a vehicle to run on WVO, I have a couple of quick comments. I converted my 2001 Ford F250 7.3 to run on WVO. It has been an amazing success. I get WVO from restaurants who are 'DISPOSING OF' the oil when they clean their fryers. They purchased it and paid the 'TAX' on it. I will not pay a 'SECOND TAX' on the same item, nor should I. Next, WVO is a viable fuel for a diesel engine, as evidenced by the thousands of diesels successfully running on the stuff today. It is because it was designed to run on oil. Thank you to all who defend this wonderful process with facts. I own a 2006 E320 CDI and am currently researching the best method of converting this car to WVO.
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Just because one engine can do something doesn't mean others can as well. Mercedes' F1 engine can revv to 18000rpm. Mercedes made it so that must mean all Mercedes engines can do it, go try it on yours!
How is Colorado allowing an illegal substance (marijuana) to be sold in the open market?
Answer: The states can't override federal law. The EPA is not tied to any state, if they say VO is illegal on-highway, its illegal in every state.
As for the fats and water, heating the oil gets rid of the water and makes the fat neutral when it comes to "Damage".
Water boils at 212*f. Unless you've got an external heat source in your system other than the engine or you're overheating your engine, you're not removing any water.
Fats are only altered in viscosity by heat, it does not affect their non-combustible properties.
As for the injectors and the IP, heated VO actually lubricates the IP and injectors better than biodiesel and D#2.
Glycerin has major detrimental effects that offset the minor increase in lubricity of the VO.
Damage to the engine will occur if the vehicle is not used with diesel or biodiesel.
They purchased it and paid the 'TAX' on it. I will not pay a 'SECOND TAX' on the same item, nor should I.
By not paying tax, you are a thief, using our roads illegally. No different than running a toll booth on a turnpike.
Next, WVO is a viable fuel for a diesel engine, as evidenced by the thousands of diesels successfully running on the stuff today.
Increase that to an impossible 256,000 and thats still only 1% of the entire cars in the USA.
WVO is not a viable fuel source to anyone outside of the small, poorly educated, fad group of current users.
Crop based biofuels like ethanol, methanol and biodiesel are not viable to a mass market. It takes 8 gallons of diesel to make 10 gallons of biodiesel, a 20% yield. Ethanol is only 10%.
If they actually were viable then we would be using them en masse already!
It is because it was designed to run on oil.
Thank you to all who defend this wonderful process with facts.
NA5KAR, you've got a long way to go before you can even begin to think you know anything about WVO. At this point you're relying on your own poor understanding of the subject and non-factual internet claims by people that know as little or less than yourself.
Just because you "use" something doesn't mean you understand it or even have any valid knowledge on the subject.
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Holy Crap Batman! And I do mean "Crap". OM617, you must be a rocket scientist or something. If stupid opinions were currency, you would be very wealthy. The reason that converting a vehicle to use an alternative fuel is not the 'mainstream', is because it takes a combination of skill, effort, and money to complete the process. Most people are sheep (no offense intended to the masses) ... following traditional and readily available trends and living conditions ... including the vehicle they drive and the fuel it uses. In each area of life, there are those that 'want more' or want to buck the trend. They should be applauded, as their actions generally improve their own living conditions and don't hurt anyone else. If a restaurant purchases oil to cook with and then NEEDS TO dispose of it when it is dirty and they CHOOSE to give it to me, who are you to decide that they do not have that right? I will answer that for you ... you are nobody! As for the tax issues, you are probably the kind of person who thinks it's fair to pay tax on a new car and then again when someone buys it as a used car. The government receives a tax on the same car twice. But you are a sheep and since it's been that way forever, nobody questions it.
Finally, You wrote "NA5KAR, you've got a long way to go before you can even begin to think you know anything about WVO". Here is what I know. I actually did something about the ridiculous fuel costs. I spent nights and weekends under my truck and I spent money buying components (I paid the tax on them too). Now I am the proud owner of a vehicle that gives the middle finger to the greedy, corrupt, oil cartel blood suckers of the lovely middle east. It runs fantastic and it costs me nothing to drive. Hey OM617, what have you done to prove you are not a sheep?
Finally, You wrote "NA5KAR, you've got a long way to go before you can even begin to think you know anything about WVO". Here is what I know. I actually did something about the ridiculous fuel costs. I spent nights and weekends under my truck and I spent money buying components (I paid the tax on them too). Now I am the proud owner of a vehicle that gives the middle finger to the greedy, corrupt, oil cartel blood suckers of the lovely middle east. It runs fantastic and it costs me nothing to drive. Hey OM617, what have you done to prove you are not a sheep?
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Holy Crap Batman! And I do mean "Crap". OM617, you must be a rocket scientist or something. If stupid opinions were currency, you would be very wealthy. The reason that converting a vehicle to use an alternative fuel is not the 'mainstream', is because it takes a combination of skill, effort, and money to complete the process. Most people are sheep (no offense intended to the masses) ... following traditional and readily available trends and living conditions ... including the vehicle they drive and the fuel it uses. In each area of life, there are those that 'want more' or want to buck the trend. They should be applauded, as their actions generally improve their own living conditions and don't hurt anyone else. If a restaurant purchases oil to cook with and then NEEDS TO dispose of it when it is dirty and they CHOOSE to give it to me, who are you to decide that they do not have that right? I will answer that for you ... you are nobody! As for the tax issues, you are probably the kind of person who thinks it's fair to pay tax on a new car and then again when someone buys it as a used car. The government receives a tax on the same car twice. But you are a sheep and since it's been that way forever, nobody questions it.
Finally, You wrote "NA5KAR, you've got a long way to go before you can even begin to think you know anything about WVO". Here is what I know. I actually did something about the ridiculous fuel costs. I spent nights and weekends under my truck and I spent money buying components (I paid the tax on them too). Now I am the proud owner of a vehicle that gives the middle finger to the greedy, corrupt, oil cartel blood suckers of the lovely middle east. It runs fantastic and it costs me nothing to drive. Hey OM617, what have you done to prove you are not a sheep?
Finally, You wrote "NA5KAR, you've got a long way to go before you can even begin to think you know anything about WVO". Here is what I know. I actually did something about the ridiculous fuel costs. I spent nights and weekends under my truck and I spent money buying components (I paid the tax on them too). Now I am the proud owner of a vehicle that gives the middle finger to the greedy, corrupt, oil cartel blood suckers of the lovely middle east. It runs fantastic and it costs me nothing to drive. Hey OM617, what have you done to prove you are not a sheep?
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Common fellas ....let's not lower ourselves being vindictive .
Lets talk diesels & brighten up !!!!!
Lets talk diesels & brighten up !!!!!
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Ya Carsy! Talk diesel not argue like children in the school yard. My E320 CDi just went over 110,000 km today on the way home from work. It is running sooo sweetly after a an oil change with Mobil 1 extended service synthetic, 0W40. The engine is quieter than new. I believe in 5,000 km oil changes and before I change the air filter I would vacuum out the air box and tubes of all dirt and dead insects. Krust Rust oil every year. I am looking forward to the next 100,000 km.
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MB recommend 20,000 km or 12 months. I have compromised doing the change at 10,000km . With a 6.5 litre sump & the modern Mobil ESP 5W30 oil I feel comfortable.
I am doing a service tommorow, engine oil & filter + dropping out the ATM fluid & filter for the first time in my 5 speed at 50,000km.
B Service due next month where I will flush the brake fluid, change the fuel & air filters , cabin filter, change power steering fluid , top up coolant, inspect suspension/steering, all rubber boots, brakes & clean engine bay so I can eat off it!!
I am doing a service tommorow, engine oil & filter + dropping out the ATM fluid & filter for the first time in my 5 speed at 50,000km.
B Service due next month where I will flush the brake fluid, change the fuel & air filters , cabin filter, change power steering fluid , top up coolant, inspect suspension/steering, all rubber boots, brakes & clean engine bay so I can eat off it!!
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I have seen some disastrous results of vegie oils in non MB engines. Enough to say I will never try it regardless of costs or taxes or ethics. New pistons rods valves are not very green.
Further NA5KAR, your 2001 F250 had a relatively crude 7.3L engine which by law had to be dumped in 2003 for the 2004 regs. (Since updated again in 2007 and 2010)
These more modern engines like your MB comply to the later Euro specs which require a different rubber to cope with the finer fuels which are being rolled out.
But when you run vegie oil, you may well affect the perfomance of the injectors.
Viton is a fantastic material for chemical resistance but it does suffer a few other drawbacks.
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Further NA5KAR, your 2001 F250 had a relatively crude 7.3L engine which by law had to be dumped in 2003 for the 2004 regs. (Since updated again in 2007 and 2010)
These more modern engines like your MB comply to the later Euro specs which require a different rubber to cope with the finer fuels which are being rolled out.
But when you run vegie oil, you may well affect the perfomance of the injectors.
Viton is a fantastic material for chemical resistance but it does suffer a few other drawbacks.
Ian
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I got a loan from you.
Wrong. Any backyard wannabe can hack a system together that "works". Lovecraft made a business of it!
The state has that right.
A sale is a sale. If you want to register the car and put the title in your name, you have no avoidance of paying your required taxes.
Nothing. Exactly.
As well as the environment and the truck itself.
I got an education while you were crawling around in the dirt crying about not being able to afford the fuel your engine was designed to use. Why are you a sheep following the VO fad?
Its no more my business than it is of anyone else witnessing a crime. If you see it and do nothing about it, you're no better than the perp.
The reason that converting a vehicle to use an alternative fuel is not the 'mainstream', is because it takes a combination of skill, effort, and money to complete the process.
If a restaurant purchases oil to cook with and then NEEDS TO dispose of it when it is dirty and they CHOOSE to give it to me, who are you to decide that they do not have that right?
As for the tax issues, you are probably the kind of person who thinks it's fair to pay tax on a new car and then again when someone buys it as a used car.
Here is what I know.
Now I am the proud owner of a vehicle that gives the middle finger to the greedy, corrupt, oil cartel blood suckers of the lovely middle east
Hey OM617, what have you done to prove you are not a sheep?
Why should my modifications to my vehicle be any of your business (with respect to you rendering negative comments or opinions).
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I know this question has been asked over a million times. I tried FryerPower.com, but they do not respond to e-mails, has anybody ordered from them recently or knows somebody who works there?
Or knows another on-line store that sells them retail(not in packages of 10 or 50)?
Or a store in Canada(Mtl)?
It's for a W210 Diesel.
Thank You.
Or knows another on-line store that sells them retail(not in packages of 10 or 50)?
Or a store in Canada(Mtl)?
It's for a W210 Diesel.
Thank You.
Pool stores carry viton for chlorine they may have the size but BOSS will be MUCH cheaper
