AJLitke

I have searched everywhere and keep finding different sizes posted for the speakers in the W210. ('97 E320) 3 of my door speakers are blown and I need to replace them. I believe that the front and back are different sizes, but I'd like to know for sure before I rip apart the door. I've already replaced the speaker/subs in the back deck, and I think there are tweeters in the dash that also seem to be fine. Does anyone have experience with replacing the door speakers.

Much appreciated,
AJ

tbone006

Sorry bro .. i kept my stock speakers when i added aftermarket stereo. They are Bose speakers tho ... i just bought a small plastic "pry bar" kit to try and remove interior pieces. I am kind of hestitant as all my previous attempts at removing door & dash pieces have been futile.
Check the 2nd line in the main Forum here .. it has a list of multiple issues and teh dicussions on them

13bArtillery107

When I got my benz i had speakers blown, bose of course, and replaced them with new bose speakers made for the w210. The front are larger then the rear. If you need any assistance PM me and i'll do help you with what i can. It takes less then 10 min per speaker to take the door skin off and replace the speaker. It's quite easy.

ThanasisKaplani

My front speakers on the dash seem to be blown. In general, my speakers sound weak, maybe I have more blown than I think. What do you guys think I should do? Take it to the dealer? Do it myself (I have never done anything on my own), and does anyone know how much it would cost if I did?

desired_speeds

speakers in the dash above the vents are only for the phone option. they are not a part of the audio system.

ThanasisKaplani

Are you sure about that? What about the ones on the door, beside the sideview mirrors. Those don't work for me either. In general, the sound system sounds week, in particular the bass is poor. My parent's 2001 M-Class, which has the same Bose sound system, has amazing performance and mine is not on par with theirs. Something must be wrong with it.

E320Nova00

I replaced all the speakers in my 00 w210 and it breaks down like this
all speakers are 2 ohms
dash speakers- for phone option...not hooked up to amp/stereo
the upper door "speakers" in the sail panels that you referred are not there in a Bose system. (why they made the sail panel look like that....no idea, don't care, sweet place to put new component tweeters
front door: 6.5 inch mid range woofer with a component tweeter mounted on a plastic cover over woofer
rear door: 3.5 inch midrange speaker
rear deck: 6.5 inch Bose "subwoofer"
also a bit*h to get to...love how they give it speed clips

As for me, I replaced all the door speakers with 2ohm infinity's (one of the few company's that make 2ohm and cheap..) Drop in replacement for the most part. some trimming of the protective grills needed, but a 1.5 out of 5 difficulty. Sounds much better for equal or less than factory.
the rear door can hold up to 5+ inch, depending on your time/fabrication skills, but the stock amp has a bass blocker wired into it (round 120 hertz im guessing) so IMO not worth it if keeping stock amp unless you REALLY like the solos.

hope this helps and feel free to pm with any questions

CA_Tallguy

Glad to hear that my speakers are not missing from the upper door panel/trim area. Recently opened those up and was surprised nothing was there! Wiring is there though I don't know if it is useful with the bose system in place. E320Nova00, you mention putting tweeters there -- what did you put in there and how did you wire them up to the bose? Or did you replace the bose amp too?

E320Nova00

To answer your question about the tweeters wiring, you would just run wires off the external crossover to the sail panel. Or you could go all accountant (cheap as hell) like the rest of the wiring in our car, and jump off the wiring to the woofer
(go look at your stock setup and you will see what I mean)

I actually decided not to put tweeters in the sail panel, was just observing that it would be a good place. Rumor has it that the lower spec sound system had them there.


If you decide to replace the Bose amp with a higher power one make sure you replace all the existing wiring. component speakers need that power = money, money, money, oh and a hell of a time

too much bass in the door, and your trim panels will buzz like a 16y/o's honda's trunk. = more money to fix

I didn't want to spend all that money on a 7k car, so i went with 2 sets of infinity co-axils. have a small external crossover that fits perfectly right over the speaker. runs the same ohm load as the bose. have 4 tweeters in the car instead of 2 now, so it's plenty bright and clear. the front panels will buzz, but its a simple fix off the stock amp.

people get in my car and comment on it and I like it. total cost was 110 for everything. ill post a few pictures once i figure out how to do it.

hope that helps

E320Nova00

the photo file shows it all sealed up. discrete was what i was going for

photo 1 shows the fit and crossover. Not how I left it, but just to give an idea of the process.

CA_Tallguy

So you have stock bose amp running through stock wiring to the new infinity speaker on each side front door? What is the function of the crossover, as I thought that your speaker would have it built in to split between mids/highs, and the bose system is only sending the right range of signals to that wire already? I guess I should pull it apart and look as you suggest that will help it make sense. Or does the bose system use crossovers as each speaker location as well?

E320Nova00

question one
yes, stock amp, stock wiring, infinity's run same ohm load as stock Bose speakers.
Question 2
Bose is complicated, but simple version is. Bose "crossovers" (bass blockers in this case) are attached to back of speakers in front doors, on amp for back doors.
reason for this? cheap, plain and simple. both the woofer and tweeter get the same signal in a stock setup (same wire), the tweeters just run a smaller gauge wire off the woofer and have more bass blocked due to different resistors.
the little infinity crossover box does basically the same thing, but with way better sound quality. it splits the high and low signal like you said. hooks up just like a replacement speaker.


does that help?

CA_Tallguy

Ahhh... got it. Makes perfect sense now. You've unlocked the mystery of the bose sound system for me! That is pretty key info for sound system upgrades. In a way, I'm glad the full signal is running throughout. Should make modifications easier I suppose!

EDIT: Oh wait, it isn't full signal throughout as I see you mention back doors have bass blockers at the amp.

CA_Tallguy

Would you happen to have the infinity model numbers handy? Is it this Infinity Kappa KAPPA62.9I model with an included crossover?

E320Nova00

I don't recommend buying from this site (way overpriced) but can't beat their interface.

front doors

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108629I...and%7cInfinity

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_1086032...and%7cInfinity

The make a kappa 3-way speaker too, but IMO Bose amp 1. not powerful enough, 2. can't hear dog pitched frequencies from a "super tweeter" anyway


rear doors
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108329C...and%7cInfinity

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_1083032...and%7cInfinity

just different prices, different quality. Kappa is higher than reference series. . i recommend the ones with the external crossovers IMO. hope that helps!

CA_Tallguy

Awesome! I had planned to learn about speaker/amp upgrades down the road but suddenly I feel like I've got a pretty good idea about the layout and such. Thanks so much for all the info.

niral114

I have the infinity speakers in my doors. Infinity Kappa 62.9i in front doors and Infinity Kappa 32.9cf for the rear doors. Got 2 12" Alpines in the trunk.

bruins78

New to forum.. Have a 96 w210 e300d and have replaced door speakers and having trouble figuring out how to remove the deck lid. Once i can get the headrest out of way i think i'm good.. need advice

OldMBGuy

Wow, E320Eova00

That's good work out of you. Massively helpful.

rennwerkes

Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this thread.
I ordered up the Infinity speakers mentioned previously.
For a little over $100 for all four it's a tough deal to beat.
The front speakers are, as the previous poster mentioned, nearly a direct swap. I chose to use the original grills over the speaker and cut out the OEM tweeter assembly so that it wouldn't interfere with the new ones.
The rear speakers were almost as easy but have only two securing points so I wasn't able to use the original speaker grill (but no real reason other than to seal things up a bit). Otherwise, very easy also on the install.
The one thing is that these speakers are 4 ohms and no 2 as previously mentioned. Not sure if there was a change but even the link to Crutchfield shows 4 ohms.
Regardless, the sound is much smoother and tighter.
Very nice upgrade!

desired_speeds

anybody have recommendations for the rear deck speaker replacements?

banzal45

Hi, I have been following this thread, I have a w210 99 and want to upgrade the speakers in there, it has the rear deck speakers but I cannot find the amplifier for the sound system, also it sounds way too bassy even on -7 setting, can anyone help please.

Swimfan

I did try to take off the headrests after taking off the seat cushion and all that is mentioned in a pdf doc on another thread here. I could not get past the headrest removal procedure and gave up the speaker replacement idea. I broke a clips (that clip was bound to be broken if tried to pry out) in the C pillar. I also broke the plastic clips that hold the headrests in place on the shelf. It was miserable attempt and I regretted doing it.

A few days later I gave another shot at trying to remove the rear shelf speakers outta the cabin area after carefully prying out the grille. I was successfull. Now I am all set to replace those with GTO628. I was delighted to find that i simply need to take out the old speakers out from its housing and set my newer GTO628 into the housing. The housing will then simply snap into place on three clips.

I haven't finished it yet coz I need to do some soldering. GTO628's don't come with any wires. So i will use the connectors from my old speakers and solder them to the new ones.

I've been very lazy in getting the task done but hopefully I'll finish in the coming few days.

topspn

Hi, do I need to remove door panel in order to replace them, or can I just pop off the grill covers on the door?

Oh, and my car is a 2000 E55

Thx

Cloudsurfer

I'm about to embark on something here myself... planning a double-DIN Nav setup.... but not inclined to rip out all the wiring/ amps/ speakers, so, if I can keep the stock BOSE amp, upgrade the speakers a bit (maybe put the tweets in the upper door area?), and add a sub, this should be workable.