konigstiger

You're fine.

bchalou

King Konig,

Once again thank you very much.

toryvad

this is a great thread!

johnrdm

Hi,

What a great thread!

I am considering buying a low mileage (under 70K Miles) 2007 C350 4Matic for my wife, and would very much like to hear the pros and cons of this model.

As I was researching this model I came across the balance shaft issue.

I have downloaded the M272 Timing Error PDF, and understand it affects engines up to certain numbers, so will be looking for that info.

As I look at cars, how can I get the engine number from the VIN? The Russian site does not seem to be working (or maybe it's because I don't speak Russian...)

I am a long time MB owner, and have a '95 E320 Cab as my daily driver so have dealt with the wiring harness issues on that car. I still like driving it at 160K.

I am an experienced mechanic, but do not wish to replace engine internals unless I really have to.

Thank you in advance for your comments.

John

konigstiger

Free subscription to MBUSA EPC http://epc.startekinfo.com here you can pull data cards (and VIN specific part #s, etc.) or http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/vin_check

gfmohn

[This is a duplicate posting from Class Action suit over M272 M273.]
Does anyone have any information about the CLASS ACTION SUIT? A lot of Mercedes are driven by lawyers. Help us out!

The information for which I am looking is whether any of you owners (present or past) of the affected M272 and M273 engines have received any notice of this suit or invitations to join the class of plaintiffs. Also, if you have received such paperwork, from whom did you receive it (name and mailing address). There must be a "settlement administrator." (Perhaps this information is buried in the middle of the previous pages. By page number three, this thread had deteriorated into philosophy about unreliable consumer products. The last couple of pages are all about requests to check VINs, information that is available from EPCnet Online - see below.)

I did my own homework last night, so I didn't have to impose on Konigstiger to discover that my engine is one of those affected. I used EPCnet Online: https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp. [Thank you, Konigstiger.] EPCnet is the official MB Electronic Parts Catalog. You have to subscribe, but the subscription is free for subscribers in N. America. You have to give a credit card, but that is just to prove that you do live in NA. The website is meant for MB professionals, for whom it is part of their life. For the rest of us, the website is very difficult. Read the directions very carefully. You will be able to input your VIN and find your Data Card. That will give you your engine number.

Then, "M272 engines sold between 2004 and 2008 with engine serial numbers below 2729..30 468993 often show early wear of the balance shaft gears." (Wikipedia) The corresponding serial number for M273 engines is 2739..30 088611. (Compare the last eight digits.)

The Mercedes-Benz M272 & M273 Engine Class Action is Majeed Seifi, et al. v. Mercedes Benz USA LLC, Case No. 3:12-cv-05493, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. The present case status is found at http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-s...-class-action/. As of 12/01/14, the plaintiffs had moved for a PARTIAL summary judgment. If granted, MB would be found liable in principle, but further proceedings would have to be held to determine the amount MB has to pay. After the lawyers get the first bite, the remainder would be divided among the members of the class. The next hearing is 01/15/15.

The plaintiffs are represented by Roy A. Katriel of the Katriel Law Firm and Gary S. Graifman of Kantrowitz Goldhamer & Graifman PC. It is not clear to me whether the class of plaintiffs for this suit is nationwide or only of Calif. owners and lessees. Atty. Katriel's website says he is petitioning on behalf of Calif. owners and lessees. Atty. Graifman's website is not clear.

bchalou

Would a 2007 E350 engine be a direct swap for a 2006 E350? I have found a used E350 and if it's not in the affected range I figure I might have better luck taking this route.

Thanks,

BC

coopershawk

I'm looking at a 2007 C280 and I'm wondering if this motor is affected. The VIN is:

WDBRF54H37F935179

Thanks!

konigstiger

You're fine.

coopershawk

Many thanks!

bchalou

gfmohn, I have looked at the site you listed but couldn't find how to sign up for the class action. Any help is appreciated.

gfmohn

I, too, am trying to find how to sign up for the class action. That's the reason for my post. I have identified the action and provided a link to a website giving the present status of the action. But after that, I am stuck.
Of course, I could contact the attorneys. However, there are two of them. As soon as I contact one, I am the client of that attorney and not the client of the other. Also, perhaps the reason I have not been contacted (I am an original owner) is that there are restrictions on who can be a member of the class. Perhaps one has to be a resident of California, etc.

garrettmoore

Can someone (konigstiger) please check-

WDBUF72X59B379502

'09 E550.

Thank you!

konigstiger

MY09 - you're fine.

Chuck3Sticks

Just bought a 2006 SLK 350 yesterday (73k) and found this out today. Arghhhh.

WDBWK56F56F108731

Please confirm i am in the "danger zone" so i dont do anythign crazy with a warranty.

272963 30 244852

Thanks!

Pretty sure via the Russian site that the engine is in the range for the defective part. Thinking about direct buy warranty as we are right on the edge of the mileage range for the problem and i want the peace of mind for the wife while she is driving it. Not expecting to have anything close to this from a Mercedes, pretty sad how they are not handling this major defect. I am a huge BMW E46 fan and wish i would have bought the ZHP or Z4 instead......wife loves this one though.

konigstiger

Engine is within affected range.

Lelak

Hi! What a great thread this is. I bought a MB E280 from 2006, this past summer. Its chassi number is WDB2110541A848820. Can someone confirm that it has the effected balance shaft?

Thanks alot!

konigstiger

30 130960 is within affected range.

mbml3504Matic

Hello,

I am considering the purchase of a 2008 ML350 4Matic. I asked my local MB dealer if my vehicle was in the effected range, and they keep telling me yet. However, when I compare the engine # to the ones on here, it shows that I am not at risk. Please give advice.

VIN: 4JGBB86E88A350983
Engine # 27296730766279.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Also, is there anything that I should be nervous about? The vehicle has 95k miles.

Thanks!

Plutoe

Well when you drive an MB gasser with 95K hopefully you don't own a house or arnt married because all that money will be used for repairs, but ---I know you want your girlfriend to drive a MB!!

mbml3504Matic

Plutoe, do you have any guidance that you can give other than " I hope that you have $$?"

Are there any other known issues that I should be concerned with?

N_Jay

Aren't '08s well out of the range? (just guessing from what I have read)


As for Plutoe, just read for the good info and chuckle at the rest.

konigstiger

30 766279 is past clean point 30 468993 and therefore, fine. Have dealer pull vehicle master inquiry (VMI) to review maintenance and repairs performed by MB dealers to date.

mbml3504Matic

My MB dealer must have been mistaken then, as they told me three different times to be concerned with balance shaft on this VIN. I appreciate your input and guidance.

I highly value the opinion of MB gurus like yourselves, and therefore, I must ask one last time. Are there any known issues, other than the balance shaft issue, that I should be concerned with. Can I easily take this car to 150k miles?

turbonos7

+1