Fog lights & Daytime LED question? W212

[R KLASSE]

Hello all, my dad just picked up a new 2010 E 350 I believe it's a P2? as it has the hockey stick daytime lights and HID among others. I was helping him get acquainted with the new car as my wife & I are long time MBZ owners. I couldn't find how to turn the "Fog" lamps on on the front of the car? They seem to burn at a low output and stay on when the headlamps are selected but don't add any more illumination over the standard lamps. The LEDs where the fogs normally are mounted stay on but aren't bright unless used during the daytime. Do P2 cars not actually have fog lamps anymore?

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[LaicepsYdobon]

You turn on the fog lamps by pressing the fog lamp button (front or rear; there are two of them) next to the light selector switch. If you don't have these two buttons you car is not equipped with fog lamps. All this according to the manual:

http://www4.mercedes-benz.com/manual...13e19801.shtml

[konigstiger]

Vehicles with bi-xenon headlamps or with the optional light packages are equipped with LED-type daytime running lights and the front fog lamps in the bumper are not installed.

[aeggroup]

Originally Posted by konigstiger

Vehicles with bi-xenon headlamps or with the optional light packages are equipped with LED-type daytime running lights and the front fog lamps in the bumper are not installed.

+1...
My car has P2 package and i can confirm - there are no fog lights if a car has P2.

[R KLASSE]

Interesting, I can't figure out why MB would charge you more for a "lighting package" and delete the fog lamps I've driven the car at night, the oem HID is fantastic, but I personally like the added output from the sides and just in front of the car that fog lamps provide. I was scratching my head for about 20 minutes wondering if it was some new technology where the LED daytime lamps were the fogs etc... turns out you don't get them anymore on a $57K car. Does anyone know what the projector lamps are for inboard near the grille? They look like fogs, but stay dim like running lamps or park lamps?

[samkimg]

I too have a E350 P2 with the lighting package and I too would like the additional lighting true fog lights deliver.

[konigstiger]

Originally Posted by R KLASSE

Does anyone know what the projector lamps are for inboard near the grille? They look like fogs, but stay dim like running lamps or park lamps?

E2 Right front lamp unit
E2e3 Right front standing and parking lights
E2e5 Right front turn signal light
E2e9 Right cornering light
E2e10 Right xenon bulb with integrated ignition module
E2e11 Right infrared lamp (with code 610 Night View Assist)
E6/2 Right front side marker lamp

[samkimg]

I do love the Night View Assist (NVA) feature, but looking back and forth between reality and the center display is distracting for the driver. The NVA watching is best left to the passenger.

Interestingly, my light switch is still capable of being pulled out as if to turn on the "non-existant" fog lamps.

[Rowrbazzle]

Originally Posted by samkimg

I do love the Night View Assist (NVA) feature, but looking back and forth between reality and the center display is distracting for the driver. The NVA watching is best left to the passenger.

Interestingly, my light switch is still capable of being pulled out as if to turn on the "non-existant" fog lamps.

Do you have rear fog lights? On my non-P2 I pull out once for front fog lights and then out a little more for the rear fog lights.

[samkimg]

No rear fog lights ... my switch only goes one click for the "front" fog lights ...

[Diesel Benz]

Originally Posted by samkimg

No rear fog lights ... my switch only goes one click for the "front" fog lights ...

I should read the manual, or try the car but you must have rear fogs, or actually a rear fog light, at least all our cars have one. If the switch only has one "click", it must be for the rear fog.

[Diesel Benz]

Originally Posted by samkimg

I do love the Night View Assist (NVA) feature, but looking back and forth between reality and the center display is distracting for the driver. The NVA watching is best left to the passenger.

I don't have Nightview on the 212, I was afraid of the approach where the display is far away from your normal view. On the 221 Night view is shown at the instrument cluster display where it is a lot easier to follow but I still find it a bit difficult. Only a short view every now and then feels reasonable. The view is so good that one could keep on driving while only watching at the display but I don't think it is a good idea.

The 212 Night View should have some improvements over the pre-facelift 221. How does it emphasize hot objects, like animals, perhaps you have never seen a moose at the camera view, not even pedestrians in the dark which is possible on European roads. I was just wondering if a warm/hot object becomes so strong on the display that it could be detected while the driver is watching the traffic in front?

[konigstiger]

Originally Posted by samkimg

No rear fog lights ... my switch only goes one click for the "front" fog lights ...

When pulling the switch out, the yellow light will indicate rear fog lamp is on.

E3 Left rear lamp unit
E3e1 Left rear turn signal light
E3e6 Left side marker lamp
E3e15 Outer left background light
E3e11 Outer left brake light and taillight
E3 / 1 Inner left rear lamp unit
E3 / 1e2 Inner left taillight
E3 / 1e3 Left backup lamp
E3 / 1e4 Inner left brake light and taillight
E3 / 1e5 Left rear fog light
E3 / 1e6 Inner left background light

[Rowrbazzle]

Originally Posted by konigstiger

When pulling the switch out, the yellow light will indicate rear fog lamp is on.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. konigstiger always knows what's going on.

[samkimg]

Originally Posted by konigstiger

When pulling the switch out, the yellow light will indicate rear fog lamp is on.

E3 Left rear lamp unit
E3e1 Left rear turn signal light
E3e6 Left side marker lamp
E3e15 Outer left background light
E3e11 Outer left brake light and taillight
E3 / 1 Inner left rear lamp unit
E3 / 1e2 Inner left taillight
E3 / 1e3 Left backup lamp
E3 / 1e4 Inner left brake light and taillight
E3 / 1e5 Left rear fog light
E3 / 1e6 Inner left background light

OK, I now understand. The fog light switch on my E350 P2 controls
the REAR RED FOG LIGHT only. I've always thought about fog lights being white and in the front, but the switch turns on a bright red light at the left side as indicated. Duh!

[charliele729]

I always wonder why it is only one of our tailights that lights up and not both.

[Diesel Benz]

Originally Posted by charliele729

I always wonder why it is only one of our tailights that lights up and not both.

The same answer as every time for that question: first of all it would be illegal at least in most of Europe and if both sides had a rear fog, it would make it difficult for other drivers to figure out when the car in front is actually braking.

[gaazmon]

wait, if you order the P2 with HIDs you don't get front fog lights??? WTF is up with that.

But to be honest, i don't think you guys are missing out on the fog lights (at least on these cars). I have them and they don't help one bit in the fog. They shoot too low and the light is really weak. The rear is actually useful IMO. My 94 S420 had these center lights (same level as headlight) that shot yellow light (kind of like the 3000k HID lights you see), and man those were great. We get a lot of fog in my area so, the fog lights i have don't help at all.

[ipp]

Originally Posted by gaazmon

wait, if you order the P2 with HIDs you don't get front fog lights??? WTF is up with that.

But to be honest, i don't think you guys are missing out on the fog lights (at least on these cars). I have them and they don't help one bit in the fog. They shoot too low and the light is really weak. The rear is actually useful IMO. My 94 S420 had these center lights (same level as headlight) that shot yellow light (kind of like the 3000k HID lights you see), and man those were great. We get a lot of fog in my area so, the fog lights i have don't help at all.

If you have the intelligent light system, and if you activate the rear fog lights it will set the front headlights into some kind of fog mode.

It's explained here (Safety -> Intelligent light system in the end of the clip):
http://www4.mercedes-benz.com/manual...ce/index.html#

[chilledbenz]

Interesting information, I've been under the impression that if the car was equipped with P2 the fogs moved into the head lamp cluster. As with a couple other posters here, I too feel the fogs aren't all that helpful, but at the price of the P2 package they should at least be included. I had a w163 ML that actually had an empty socket located inside the headlamp cluster for the addition of a fog lamp, which I did and they worked pretty well. They could have at least did that. I wonder if this won't be one of the things they address for the next model year.

[gaazmon]

Originally Posted by ipp

If you have the intelligent light system, and if you activate the rear fog lights it will set the front headlights into some kind of fog mode.

It's explained here (Safety -> Intelligent light system in the end of the clip):
http://www4.mercedes-benz.com/manual...ce/index.html#

interesting.

but again, the fog lights on the W140 were amazing. I had a chrysler 300 and that thing had crap fog lights too and so does our yukon denali.

[aeggroup]

Originally Posted by ipp

If you have the intelligent light system, and if you activate the rear fog lights it will set the front headlights into some kind of fog mode.

It's explained here (Safety -> Intelligent light system in the end of the clip):
http://www4.mercedes-benz.com/manual...ce/index.html#

I checked US options on MBUSA - we don't have Intelligent light system option availble in US.