BenzE350

Any MB owners here that like American muscle cars?

I'd like a ZL1 in black:

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...ison-test.html

hyperion667

yeah me too.....until I got my cls

K-A

I love 'em.

The IDEAL second car for me would be a Muscle-Car. I need the German refined luxury first and foremost.... got that.... now I just have to convince myself to go forth with a Muscle Car.

K-A

A timely post from a Member/Sponsor here on that car....

.... P.S: The new Mustang GT500 has over 650 *******g Horsepower.... I mean, that should be illegal man, any moron with $50K (not to mention rapid depreciation and how cheap that'll make those firecrackers soon enough) can have access to that power? NUTS!

BenzE350

I wonder what these cars will sell for in 2 years. 30K?

K-A

Exactly what I was thinking. They hold values very poorly, though I can imagine these two specific cars might hold up decently compared to other Mustangs/Camaro's.

thekurgan

Muscle cars these days are just toys, I don't think anyone buys them for their present or future value. That being said, after driving a '12 Mustang GT, it has come a long way from it's past slop. The chassis is tight, the 5.0 is extremely powerful and it has zero drone on the highway. The camaro is still an 80's interior and needs work in the visibility department, not to mention, the thing is HUGE.

hyperion667

haha, they are huge.....was parked next to one today at a chevy dealer......didn't have my camera!

K-A

Yeah, the new GT has been compared to the M3 by some Mags and held up appropriately. Shows how far Ford has come in developing the Mustang, even off of what the chassis started as in 2005. I can imagine the next Mustang will be a tour de force.

dfordham

Tour de force. Isn't that the bicycle race going on in France?

Regards,
Don

K-A

Actually, it's true. People who buy these cars are more typically true enthusiasts who grow attached to, and like to keep them for a while. To Lease a Camaro is almost as expensive as to Lease a Benz that costs double it. M-B buyers are usually Lease-then-tossers, therefore M-B has to artificially lower Lease rates. Camaro buyers usually dream for the car, then actually buy it and keep it for a while. To get a small sample size of what I'm talking about, check out the Camaro Boards VS the M-B boards.

FraKctured

Not interested at all in these cars. They are so crass in terms of the aggressive look--chest thumping is putting it mildly. Seems like they appeal to the same crew that drive Harleys without mufflers--desperately looking for attention through volume and/or visual intimidation.

Much prefer the various less conspicuous muscle cars from MB, BMW, Audi and others.

hyperion667

gzilla46

I LOVE the Camaro. I loved it ever since I saw Transformers.

Though Bumblebee isn't my favorite character (that's Optimus Prime tied with Megatron), he does have the coolest vehicle form, and that's the Chevrolet Camaro.

To stay on topic, I also like the Mustang.

Pntblnk

I disagree with your assessment. While there may be some people that thrive on the attention of others most muscle car / harley owners just dig the heritage or are trying to relive their youth with the cars / bikes they always wanted growing up. Sure, some are stuck in the 50's / 60's as their glory days but not looking for attention.

I don't have a muscle car but do have a Harley (with q quiet rumble) and enjoy the bike not the attention. The friends I've made riding have been great just as the ones I've met through MB enthusiast events. I have a 68 Corvette convertible on my "one day" list and sure I will enjoy that immensely as well. There is something about the simplicity of a big cubic inch V8 with no bels / whistles to break...just raw power and air in your face. The new versions of classic MC's are nice but don't quite capture the original character but do have a A$$ load of power for sure.

BTW - the new SS Camero ~425HP is only a fraction of a second faster in both the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times than my E550.

K-A

Yeah, the cars are fun, and purposefully immature, and that's the beauty of it. They don't only attract chest thumping, bombastic d-bag enthusiasts. In fact, you'll find a lot of those guys as Euro enthusiasts as well.

dcjwlee

Eh, same could be said for luxo-brands too. A lot of d-bags on this forum that want attention for having an "expensive" car.

How many times have we heard, "OH LOOK AT MAI EXPENSSSSSIVE KAR! LOL STOOPID RICER AND REDNECK I AM EURO KLASSY"

Don't judge people by what you see and assume... (a.k.a. hatin')



On another note, Mustang > Camaro in my opinion. The Camaro is a freaking boat and, based on word of mouth, handles like one too. Based on pure looks? A tougher choice, but the Camaro doesn't look like it will age well.

K-A

I agree on that.... the Camaro's styling is so in your face and hot-for-today, I think it'll be a total eye sore at some point.... since it's such a novelty design.... BUT, I just think it's such a fun design right now, and a nice refreshing adolescent-and-proud-of-it look on roads filled with cars that all try and look like European cars.

I do think the Mustang will age better, though. The Challenger I think is the least special in terms of driving aspects, but probably the coolest of the bunch. It REALLY looks like a 60's-70's car, is so huge, and IMO is very exotic due to those factors.

thekurgan

And around half the price

dariusf

no offense to anyone but the American muscle cars just look to me like giant hot wheels cars... no design concept or style whatsoever (vette excluded)

BudC

You took the words right out of my mouth. These cars are a bit more advanced than in the past but (like Harley's), they still lack any sort of sophistication.

Take them on a rough, winding road and see how they do.

BenzE350

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BudC

At 68HP per liter, it isn't very sophisticated. My 2011 E550 will do that. The ZL1 is listed as the 41st fastest on the ring.

K-A

I know this'll sound weird, but one of the things that got me to like the W212 is how I feel for a conservative/restrained Luxury Sedan styled car, it has this kind of caricature Muscle-Car flavor in its sheetmetal, aggressively wedged shape, butch angularity, etc. Modded examples, especially with some chrome left on, are good examples of this.

BenzE350

You said, "Take them on a rough, winding road and see how they do.'

I think the Nürburgring meets this requirement. 7:41 is faster than a lot of "sophisticated" sports cars including a Porsche 911 GT3, Audi R8, Mercedes SLS AMG Lamborgini Gallardo, Ferrari 599, BMW M3 and others.

Love 'em or hate 'em, the American Muscle Cars have come a long way.