tin369

Hi all,


I have these two 2014 CPO GL450 at my local dealership and wanted to see if someone can check and see which of these 2 cars will is better in term of value and options.


Car 1
2014 Mercedes-Benz GL-CLASS
4JGDF7CE7EA406127


$48,900
35,879 miles


Dealer Information Vehicle Information


Just listing the optional pckg


***** OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES *****


P01 P01 Package: Driver's Side & Interior Auto-Dimming Mirrors, $3,680

319 319 Lighting Package: Bi-Xenon Headlamps with Active Curve $1,390

615 : Bi-Xenon headlamps w/Active Curve Illumination

608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist

443 Heated Steering Wheel $250

550 Trailer Hitch $575

734 Eucalyptus Wood Trim

810 harman/kardon® LOGIC7® Surround Sound System $850

843 Power EASY-ENTRY $400

846 Illuminated Running Boards $670

866 Pre-Wiring for Rear Seat Entertainment $170

889 KEYLESS-GO® $650

993 993 Lane Tracking Package: Blind Spot Assist, Lane Keeping

Assist

$875

476 : Lane Keeping Assist

234 : Blind Spot Assist

22P : Lane Tracking package code

996 996 Parking Assist Package: PARKTRONIC with Active
Parking Assist,
$1,290


501 : Surround View Camera

235 : PARKTRONIC with Active Parking Assist

P44 : Parking Assist Package

SUBTOTAL $75,350

DESTINATION & DELIVERY $925

TOTAL $76,275






Car 2
2014 Mercedes-Benz GL-CLASS
4JGDF7CEXEA334677


$49,900
31,617 miles

Listing the Optional PCKG


***** OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES *****

P01 P01 Package: Driver's Side & Interior Auto-Dimming Mirrors, $3,680


319 319 Lighting Package: Bi-Xenon Headlamps with Active Curve $1,390


615 : Bi-Xenon headlamps w/Active Curve Illumination


608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist


322 322 Appearance Package: Chrome Exhaust Tips, 20" Wheels,

Illuminated

$1,340


846 : Illuminated Running Boards

50R : 20" Twin 5-spoke Wheel

B16 : Chrome exhaust tips

413 Panorama Sunroof $1,090

443 Heated Steering Wheel $250

731 Burl Walnut Wood

810 harman/kardon® LOGIC7® Surround Sound System $850

866 Pre-Wiring for Rear Seat Entertainment $170

993 993 Lane Tracking Package: Blind Spot Assist, Lane Keeping
Assist

$875

476 : Lane Keeping Assist

234 : Blind Spot Assist

22P : Lane Tracking package code

996 996 Parking Assist Package: PARKTRONIC with Active

Parking Assist,

$1,290

501 : Surround View Camera

235 : PARKTRONIC with Active Parking Assist

P44 : Parking Assist Package

SUBTOTAL $77,825

DESTINATION & DELIVERY $925

TOTAL $78,750
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Also, what should I offer for these cars, what would be a fair market value for these.

I am leaning towards the first car as I like the Black color more.

What do you guys think?

robalo220

Have they offered you the carfax report? If not, I would ask for each. That will give you lots of good information such as accidents, shop work, etc. If its been in the shop over and over you will want to avoid that one. It will also tell if it was sold at auction, etc. All good information to know up front. Also, use KBB.com (Kelly Blue Book) to see if the pricing is reasonable for ones that have sold nearby. You will also want to look at the in service dates for each vehicle. The original warranty is 4 years from that date and the CPO will give you an additional 12 months at the end of the original 4 years. If one was sold later than the other it will have longer warranty. You can also purchase extended warranty. (you can shop around for extended warranty from other dealers. If the price is too high from your dealer, purchase elsewhere. Read the forums for the best places to buy. Tafel Motors in Louisville has lately gotten the best pricing according to forum members) After all your research, then I would buy either the best one or get the one you like if they both are very even all things considered.
Good luck

mustbebenz

AS you should have read here, get the VMI on each for detailed service history. Your question is a matter of preference, but more facts shall help you know any reason to pass on one over the other. Finally, get independent body inspection unless you're an expert as carfax is rife with error and omission.
As to price, consider negotiating in costly services not yet due per miles but that save money later. Example, trans fluid change, all new three dry filters, wipers, brake fluid flush, brakes and tire ought to be nearly or new for true CPO. Be sure you get official service record on each. Now you're set for years on oil change only, like a brand new car.

tin369

They have the carfax for both the cars on their website.


Car 1 according to the carfax report was offered for sale on 4/2014, so looks like it has another year of the new car warranty left and then if I add CPo 12 month warranty it will be good until 4/2019 correct? and on top of that I can add 1, 2 or 3 year warranty right?


Car 1 although does not have the pano room which I like, has all the other important options. How do I get a VMI? who will provide me with that?

vroooom

You can get the VMI from the dealer.

Also, check with the dealer for the latest carfax. I have looked at both the car fax reports and looks like it is missing latest information like when it was purchased / put for sale by the dealer MB of Wilmington.

That information might also help you know how flexible the dealer would be with the price. If it was offered was sale in the last 30 days, he would not be very flexible. After 30 days is when they get a little flexible.

vroooom

Car 1 has MB-Tex, Power easy entry and Trailer Hitch
Car 2 has Leather seats and Panaroma Sunroof

Looks like these are the only differences between both the cars.

pjw1967

$29k off MSRP is pretty good. Shows how quickly the fancy options depreciate. Here's an example of one locally available. $51k with MSRP $72k so only $21k off. Looks like you have 2 nice examples to chose from. Good luck and keep us posted.
http://www.autoipacket.com/packet-sh...=58085898#MSRP

robalo220

The original warranty started when it was sold to the first owner, not when it was first listed for sale. There could be a huge difference in those dates. The dealer should be able to tell you those dates.

anothercar

Just a thought........I have the pano roof and seldom open it. It's more of a novelty in my opinion.

Mike450

I believe you still get a sunroof without the Pano. More of a useless novelty at this point.

Number 1 also does not have the appearance package, but has added running boards, which are part of app package. Number has 19' wheels vs the 20" appearance package wheels.

It would come down to color, interior preference and warranty at this point.

tin369

I spoke to the sales guy and he said that the car was bought of MB auction, don't what that means, and was listed this weekend, so I guess they wont negotiate on price.
I was thinking if I could get them to add the 2 year extended CPO warranty, will see how that goes.

As far as financing, should I just stick with the MBFS rate or can I do better?
Does it make sense to finance a CPO for 72 months, I am thinking of putting $10,000 down and financing the rest, want to keep the monthly payments down.

It will still be more that what I would like to pay for my monthly payment though.
And what kind of MPG should I expect driving mostly around the city?

jlim

You would think $21k off is good for a 3 year old car. But from some of the previous thread here, folks want another $5k off. There's about a $8k play from auction price or trade-in price to CPO price. Some folks seem to want to take advantage of that $8k forgetting all about the cost of making it a CPO (though some of the recent stories about CPO issues makes you wonder if it is worth it -- from simple camera misalignment, coolant leaks to a whole engine replacement) and paying for the dealership costs and profit for running a business.

jlim

You can add 2 year extended, but most likely they will charge you full MSRP of around $3500. You can buy it from any Mercedes dealer for less. Search for extended warranty in the forum for the recommended places to call. In my case, the sales person did not budge on the price but the finance guy easily match ad beat the offer I received. I paid about $2800 for 2 extra years of extended warranty. Also, I pre-paid for the next 3 service (B-A-B) for an extra $1500. Depending on your miles, the next services may be A-B-A which would cost less.

About the finance rate, ask them what the rate MB is offering. Most likely it'll be around 3-4%. I didn't want to get a loan, but the finance guy persuaded me to take him up on his offer from a local credit union for 1.99%. I figured I'll invest the money instead of paying off the car.

About MPG, I have a 2014 GL450 as well and I get about 17-18mpg city driving. On long distance trip around 19mpg. Gas is cheap. No worries unlike those years when it was more than $4.

jlim

I have the pano roof and I also seldom drive with the roof open. However, I often retract back the cover to let sun light in. Since the cabin is long and cavernous, it makes a huge difference in making the cabin appealing. Like the first time you step into a home with open floor plan.

Anyway, I also have the manual detachable cover for the 3rd row glass pane. But I leave that off. So, light is always coming through to the 3rd row/trunk area. If it gets too hot and sunny, I'll cover the front 2 rows glass but still having some light coming through into the 3rd row.

I have beige color seats and I find having natural light in the cabin to be very appealing. If you have black interior without the pano roof, it'll be very dark almost cave like. Maybe I have young kids. I don't know. They love it whenever I retract back the cover so they can look up in the sky above, during daytime as well as night.

pjw1967

Certainly correct. I saw the internal invoice for making my car a CPO. $1,800. But the dealers set the price in the end. My point was that the 2 cars he's looking at had lots of options and higher MSRP's, yet were priced lower than the local example which had a higher selling price and fewer options.

tin369

wait, so what are you guys saying. Is this a good price or there is room for negotiation?

tin369

I agree, we have a C300 with the pano roof and although its a small car, it makes the car more brighter specially with black interior that we have in the C300. I also don't open the roof, but retract the cover to let the light in.


I don't like the color of the second car, so I may pass on both cars and wait for something else to show up. I am also reconsidering whether the GL450 will be a good daily driver car or should I get something like a highlander or XC90 which are smaller and will be more nimble.


I keep going back and forth.

pjw1967

Room for negotiation depends on how serious your are. If you want the car, and the dealer knows you're serious, you can make an offer which you need to be ready to back up. If they counter, you can counter back. But have a stop number in mind, i.e. be prepared to walk away. We first looked at a local CPO, and we were ready to buy. Spent 2 hrs going back and forth and gave up. 2 weeks later we bought a CPO 130 miles away because we got the deal that we originally tried to get nearby. If you finance part of it, they will make money there too. I can't speak to a Volvo comparison, but I think all XC90's are front wheel drive with AWD an option. It's still basically a FWD car which I don't care for.

jlim

The 2nd car is polar white on black mb-tex. I find this to be the most common color choices other than black on black. I really wanted a polar white but not black interior. I think the polar white works very well on the GL.

Because I bought used, and beggars can't be choosers, at the time of purchase, there were tons of whites and blacks but non matched what I was looking for. I have the brown color on beige/black interior. I love the beige/black interior, but not the brown exterior. This is the same color C&D refers to as the "buffalo" in their review:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...wrap-up-review

Oh the plus side, I'm the only brown GL where I live and work. Every other GL I've come across is the Polar White or Black.

About the price, some will tell you they got the same for $40-$45k. But if the car you are seeing is very clean (exterior and interior), it may be worth while to pay a little more. Dealers are not stupid. If they just listed the car and they know it is in great condition, they will not move much on price.

In my example, I bought a 2014 GL450 with MSRP of $80k for $51k. It has only 16k miles. As a plus, it even came with clear-bra protection which was not mentioned in the ad. So the paint was in excellent condition even though it was only half hood. Sales person did not budge on price. Car was just listed for 3 days when I talked to them. They have 2 other GL that were black exterior but a lot more miles and less equipment for $47-$49k. All were sold within 2 weeks of my purchase when I checked back again.

tin369

Where did you see that the second cars color is white? I saw it listed as brown.


Also when looking on cargurus, it is difficult to see exactly all the packages a car has and also see the actual MSRP.


I am serious, but don't know what the stop number is for these cars that I am looking at, should it $45,000 and I am also willing to get it from another state.


And how so I go about finding out about how clean the car is, besides visual inspection?


Do you and PJW have had any issue with your cars since you bought it? also should I look for low miles cars, there are a few in the $52-$55,000 range which have between 15-20,000 miles.

jlim

Sorry maybe I made a mistake. I search for that VIN but it returned me the results for this car instead which is a different VIN

http://www.autoipacket.com/packet-share/?p=4JGDF7CE9EA343161&CFID=96444310&CFTOKEN=3905829 0#MSRP

i think that 2nd car is no longer available. The Wilmington website is only returning 2 used cars. None of which is the 2nd car. Now they want $51k for a used one with a MSRP of $75k.

This is the dealership I bought my GL from. They have 2 GL now. Both 2014. Price is in the $45-$48k due to miles. But CPO is unlimited miles anyway. The first one is $81k MSRP.

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/cpo/inventory/zip-48302/bodystyle-SUV/class-GL/model-GL450/vin-4JGDF7CE7EA414227

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/cpo/inventory/zip-48302/bodystyle-SUV/class-GL/model-GL450/vin-4JGDF7CE2EA333541

tin369

Yes I saw that they changed the second car, and it not CPO anymore, maybe they made some error the first time they posted.

tin369

Can someone tell me if AMG wheels will fit the GL450? if are the OEM or aftermarket, which do you guys recommend and where to get them from?

Also, when I say a youtube review of the GL63 AMG, i loved the flat bottom steering wheel, I don't think there is any option to fit that steering wheel on the Gl450 is there?