2014 GLK 250 bluetec AdBlue warning
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Does anyone know if these issues are occurring just in the USA or in all areas where car is being shipped? Are the same cars being retrofit here to meet US air quality standards (that may be more stringent than in other countries)?
The dealer and techs are not talking...social media (this site) is the only place that I have found that I can read about these issues. I am not sure if the issue is just specific to this car and the new twin turbo diesel engine, mb diesels in general or additional add-ons made in the USA during prep.
Please post any known information when fix is found. Thanks.
The dealer and techs are not talking...social media (this site) is the only place that I have found that I can read about these issues. I am not sure if the issue is just specific to this car and the new twin turbo diesel engine, mb diesels in general or additional add-ons made in the USA during prep.
Please post any known information when fix is found. Thanks.
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Does anyone know if these issues are occurring just in the USA or in all areas where car is being shipped? Are the same cars being retrofit here to meet US air quality standards (that may be more stringent than in other countries)?
The dealer and techs are not talking...social media (this site) is the only place that I have found that I can read about these issues. I am not sure if the issue is just specific to this car and the new twin turbo diesel engine, mb diesels in general or additional add-ons made in the USA during prep.
Please post any known information when fix is found. Thanks.
The dealer and techs are not talking...social media (this site) is the only place that I have found that I can read about these issues. I am not sure if the issue is just specific to this car and the new twin turbo diesel engine, mb diesels in general or additional add-ons made in the USA during prep.
Please post any known information when fix is found. Thanks.
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Edit: Ooops realized it was for 2014's ... Sorry
I have a Canadian spec 2013 ... no problems after 3 months and 25,000 km. They topped up the Blue at 15,000 km during the Schedule A maintenance.
I have a Canadian spec 2013 ... no problems after 3 months and 25,000 km. They topped up the Blue at 15,000 km during the Schedule A maintenance.
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My 2014 GLK250 (2800km) Check Engine Light came on at the beginning of this week. Phone the dealer. Got the question about recently refueling. Yes. But already down 1/4 tank (250km) before light came on. They suggested I open the filler cap and wait a minute and then replace it and after that the light should go off after a number of hours driving above 40km/hr.
So now it's Thursday. Light still on. No change. Appointment with service department is on Monday. Ironically, we're going to the MB New Owners Event at the dealership this evening. Wondering if I should arrive in my wife's Audi.
So now it's Thursday. Light still on. No change. Appointment with service department is on Monday. Ironically, we're going to the MB New Owners Event at the dealership this evening. Wondering if I should arrive in my wife's Audi.
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I bought a new 2014 GLK 250 bluetec last week and encountered the following problem before filling up first tank of diesel:
AdBlue warning light came on with Starts Remaining: 4. I brought it in to the dealer and they said there was some computer problem which has been fixed but kept it overnight to test it out more. Anyone else experienced this problem?
BTW, the "Starts Remaining" keeps going down after each start until 0. This is my first bluetec - didn't realize there would be these additional hassles.
-William
AdBlue warning light came on with Starts Remaining: 4. I brought it in to the dealer and they said there was some computer problem which has been fixed but kept it overnight to test it out more. Anyone else experienced this problem?
BTW, the "Starts Remaining" keeps going down after each start until 0. This is my first bluetec - didn't realize there would be these additional hassles.
-William
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My 2014 GLK250 (2800km) Check Engine Light came on at the beginning of this week. Phone the dealer. Got the question about recently refueling. Yes. But already down 1/4 tank (250km) before light came on. They suggested I open the filler cap and wait a minute and then replace it and after that the light should go off after a number of hours driving above 40km/hr.
So now it's Thursday. Light still on. No change. Appointment with service department is on Monday. Ironically, we're going to the MB New Owners Event at the dealership this evening. Wondering if I should arrive in my wife's Audi.
So now it's Thursday. Light still on. No change. Appointment with service department is on Monday. Ironically, we're going to the MB New Owners Event at the dealership this evening. Wondering if I should arrive in my wife's Audi.
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I visited the dealer yesterday to discuss the problem after they left a message that new software is being developed to fix the problem and won't be ready until the end of the month! Right now, the clock is ticking and the car has been in the shop for a longer time than I actually got a chance to drive it!
In my discussion yesterday, I was told that the pollution control/exhaust requirements are very stringent here in the US. Apparently US systems are different and they set up the warning system software to identify changes from US established limits. MB is rewriting the software - but it has to pass NTSB (National Transportation and Safety Board) testing before it is released.
I am not sure that I have correctly described all of the details...but the fix seems to be something similar to what I have stated.
If you are having similar problems...I urge you to "push" the dealer a bit to move the fix from the software fix pipeline to "top priority". Why would MB release the new system without adequate testing? How many of you have been inconvenienced? Make your concerns known.
I still think the diesel concept is a good path....it just might not be ready for prime time. P.S. I traded in my Audi All Road for this - ugh)
In my discussion yesterday, I was told that the pollution control/exhaust requirements are very stringent here in the US. Apparently US systems are different and they set up the warning system software to identify changes from US established limits. MB is rewriting the software - but it has to pass NTSB (National Transportation and Safety Board) testing before it is released.
I am not sure that I have correctly described all of the details...but the fix seems to be something similar to what I have stated.
If you are having similar problems...I urge you to "push" the dealer a bit to move the fix from the software fix pipeline to "top priority". Why would MB release the new system without adequate testing? How many of you have been inconvenienced? Make your concerns known.
I still think the diesel concept is a good path....it just might not be ready for prime time. P.S. I traded in my Audi All Road for this - ugh)
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At the MB New Owners Event last night I mentioned that I had arrived in my GLK250 with the Check Engine Light On. I also mentioned I had an appointment on Monday if the light hadn't gone off yet. When asked I was told there was a fix for the light being on. We'll find out next week I guess. Mine is still drivable so other than being annoying I'm not too worried.
I also mentioned that I thought it was odd that with such a sophisticated vehicle that can track tire pressure and stay between the lane markings that it won't report the details as to why the light is on. They said that most people would probably be more worried with detailed information or else ignore it completely if they knew why the light was on.
What is also interesting is the fact sheet they handed out last night. I must admit I didn't read my owners manual closely about diesel fuel grades. The fuel must be ULTRA-LOW SULFER DIESEL FUEL (ULSD) with 15 ppm max sulfur content.
Biodiesel must be of the B5 type and the label on the pump must say that and that the ULSD standard has been fulfilled.
I also mentioned that I thought it was odd that with such a sophisticated vehicle that can track tire pressure and stay between the lane markings that it won't report the details as to why the light is on. They said that most people would probably be more worried with detailed information or else ignore it completely if they knew why the light was on.
What is also interesting is the fact sheet they handed out last night. I must admit I didn't read my owners manual closely about diesel fuel grades. The fuel must be ULTRA-LOW SULFER DIESEL FUEL (ULSD) with 15 ppm max sulfur content.
Biodiesel must be of the B5 type and the label on the pump must say that and that the ULSD standard has been fulfilled.
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I am totally on the same page as "Lola", JCDam" and "Mike", and I am taking action based on their observations and comments. So, rather than get into a game of "musical chairs", I am leaving the GLK with my dealer next week, and leaving town for three weeks to do things with a "higher entertainment value". That will get me well beyond the end of the month, with time to spare for MB to find a solution. Good luck to us all ! "Light on in Canada"
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Are all 250 Blutecs going to exhibit this problem eventually? If it is software, why do some have 10-20000 miles on them with no problem? Are 2013's different than 2014 in regard to this system?
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Just a reminder. I don't have the ADBLUE warning. Just the check engine light at about 250km into a full tank fueled a few days before. So far the ADBLUE message has not appeared. These may be two totally different issues but without knowing why the light went on it's hard to comment past this.
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Well some of you have pinged me for information/update. Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but I wanted to give it at least a week before I declared the battle won...or in this case lost. CEL came on Wednesday evening, and the remaining starts count down started on the way to the dealer this morning. Oh well...dealer has been instructed to change a sensor and update software...will have to wait until early next week to see the results.
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I've been following this with interest. Am I correct that the CEL and AdBlue countdown issues are all with the 2014 models?
If so, what is the necessity of reprogramming the emission controls for 2014 vs. 2013? I'm not aware of a new standard/limitation for emissions that went into play for the 2014 model year. So, why the change?
If this is not resolved by the 10K service for my 2013, I will refuse all software updates, just in case the "bad" program is floating around waiting to infect.
If so, what is the necessity of reprogramming the emission controls for 2014 vs. 2013? I'm not aware of a new standard/limitation for emissions that went into play for the 2014 model year. So, why the change?
If this is not resolved by the 10K service for my 2013, I will refuse all software updates, just in case the "bad" program is floating around waiting to infect.
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What follows is true for the US market. I will not attempt to speak for other countries.
Action or inaction on your part can not render an entire warranty null and void. To deny warranty coverage for a specific problem, they have to prove that you caused the problem by doing something that you shouldn't have done or by not doing something that you should have done.
In simple but exaggerated terms, if they find a software defect that might cause the engine to explode and they issue a software update to fix that defect so that your engine doesn't blow up, your refusal to accept that update would cause your engine to not be covered if it blows up due to said defect. Your refusal to accept the engine software update would not, however, cause warranty work to be denied for, say, a brake problem that had nothing to do with the software update.
Action or inaction on your part can not render an entire warranty null and void. To deny warranty coverage for a specific problem, they have to prove that you caused the problem by doing something that you shouldn't have done or by not doing something that you should have done.
In simple but exaggerated terms, if they find a software defect that might cause the engine to explode and they issue a software update to fix that defect so that your engine doesn't blow up, your refusal to accept that update would cause your engine to not be covered if it blows up due to said defect. Your refusal to accept the engine software update would not, however, cause warranty work to be denied for, say, a brake problem that had nothing to do with the software update.
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Thanks so much, I write software for a living and can tell you the more you change the code, the more likely bugs get introduced.
The fact that its software related and happening so soon after 2014 release should give you an indication of the quality of code (especially since 2013 didn't have the issue). Its as if the engineers were given updated US spec parameters at the very last minute and just plugged it into code without testing it against an actual vehicle.
The fact that its software related and happening so soon after 2014 release should give you an indication of the quality of code (especially since 2013 didn't have the issue). Its as if the engineers were given updated US spec parameters at the very last minute and just plugged it into code without testing it against an actual vehicle.
What follows is true for the US market. I will not attempt to speak for other countries.
Action or inaction on your part can not render an entire warranty null and void. To deny warranty coverage for a specific problem, they have to prove that you caused the problem by doing something that you shouldn't have done or by not doing something that you should have done.
In simple but exaggerated terms, if they find a software defect that might cause the engine to explode and they issue a software update to fix that defect so that your engine doesn't blow up, your refusal to accept that update would cause your engine to not be covered if it blows up due to said defect. Your refusal to accept the engine software update would not, however, cause warranty work to be denied for, say, a brake problem that had nothing to do with the software update.
Action or inaction on your part can not render an entire warranty null and void. To deny warranty coverage for a specific problem, they have to prove that you caused the problem by doing something that you shouldn't have done or by not doing something that you should have done.
In simple but exaggerated terms, if they find a software defect that might cause the engine to explode and they issue a software update to fix that defect so that your engine doesn't blow up, your refusal to accept that update would cause your engine to not be covered if it blows up due to said defect. Your refusal to accept the engine software update would not, however, cause warranty work to be denied for, say, a brake problem that had nothing to do with the software update.
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What is also interesting is the fact sheet they handed out last night. I must admit I didn't read my owners manual closely about diesel fuel grades. The fuel must be ULTRA-LOW SULFER DIESEL FUEL (ULSD) with 15 ppm max sulfur content.
Biodiesel must be of the B5 type and the label on the pump must say that and that the ULSD standard has been fulfilled.
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I am familiar. I wrote software before I moved to production problem management. Now, this is exactly the type of problem that would land on my desk. I don't work for Mercedes-Benz, though, so I can't do anything about this.
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Have 2200 miles on the wife's GLK without any lights. Our drive is up a hill and we park with the front axle above the rear axle. How are you all parking your cars? I wonder if it may affect how the fluids contact any sensors in the tanks.
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So today was Service day at my MB dealer. Arrived with doggies in the back of the GLK fully expecting they'd take the car in right away and check the light, upload new software and I'd be on my way.
Instead, and in hind sight perfectly normal, they asked if I needed a cab ride home and what time I'd like to pick it up.
Oops.
After explaining I was with dogs and that I'd then have to make a different date appointment the service guy immediately suggested that I give him a few minutes to pull the GLK into the shop and at least check the codes.
Fifteen minutes later after a lap around the block with the dogs the GLK was still in the shop and the service guy and several mechanics were studying the screen of the PC connected to the vehicle. THen they walked around to the front and opened the hood.
I called over (customers not normally allowed in the shop) and asked if it was serious.
He replied that I should come over and have a look.
Sensor cable nicely chewed almost completely through by a rodent or some sort of woodland creature.
They grabbed their crimp tools, told me to wander around for a while and they'd have it fixed right away.
Once again, I came back and the GLK was still in the shop. Hmmm. What now? This time the delay was due to the wait for getting it washed and the interior vacuumed out.
More walking around. Doggies were tired by now. So was I.
Came back. GLK was dripping wet and clean.
I asked the service guy for the invoice since this was clearly not a warranty issue.
No charge.
On these types of forums people always report and ***** about a problem and then we never get a final report on whether the problem was solved or if there were any issues.
So my report is that the problem is solved. That the Victoria, BC Benz dealer was simply awesome both in support, service and just giving me a general sense of well being.
And the check engine light is off!
Instead, and in hind sight perfectly normal, they asked if I needed a cab ride home and what time I'd like to pick it up.
Oops.
After explaining I was with dogs and that I'd then have to make a different date appointment the service guy immediately suggested that I give him a few minutes to pull the GLK into the shop and at least check the codes.
Fifteen minutes later after a lap around the block with the dogs the GLK was still in the shop and the service guy and several mechanics were studying the screen of the PC connected to the vehicle. THen they walked around to the front and opened the hood.
I called over (customers not normally allowed in the shop) and asked if it was serious.
He replied that I should come over and have a look.
Sensor cable nicely chewed almost completely through by a rodent or some sort of woodland creature.
They grabbed their crimp tools, told me to wander around for a while and they'd have it fixed right away.
Once again, I came back and the GLK was still in the shop. Hmmm. What now? This time the delay was due to the wait for getting it washed and the interior vacuumed out.
More walking around. Doggies were tired by now. So was I.
Came back. GLK was dripping wet and clean.
I asked the service guy for the invoice since this was clearly not a warranty issue.
No charge.
On these types of forums people always report and ***** about a problem and then we never get a final report on whether the problem was solved or if there were any issues.
So my report is that the problem is solved. That the Victoria, BC Benz dealer was simply awesome both in support, service and just giving me a general sense of well being.
And the check engine light is off!