997TT vs E55

[rbtmak]

E55 was taunting me to play tonight. I finally bit after he cut in front of me and slowed to a crawl...A HOLE. At the next light, the light turned green, and it wasn't even close. My 997TT pulled 3 car lengths immediately, and I just killed him from then on. Of note, the road was slightly damp and the 997TT just put all the hp to the ground. I can imagine the E55 ESP was probably flashing like crazy. I think my R63 would have killed him as well considering the road was damp and the R63 is AWD.

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[TMC M5]

Originally Posted by rbtmak

E55 was taunting me to play tonight. I finally bit after he cut in front of me and slowed to a crawl...A HOLE.

At the next light, the light turned green, and it wasn't even close.

My 997TT pulled 3 car lengths immediately, and I just killed him from then on.

Of note, the road was slightly damp and the 997TT just put all the hp to the ground. I can imagine the E55 ESP was probably flashing like crazy.

I think my R63 would have killed him as well considering the road was damp and the R63 is AWD.

What was he thinking challenging an AWD powerhouse in the wet...

Oh well.... You mess with the bull, you get the horns....

Tom

[rbtmak]

CL65.....very nice.

I ran one once in my R35 GT-R (sold), and from a standstill, the CL65 lost
BUT, you could see that it was beginning to catch up.

On the highway, a GT-R would have a tough time with the CL65.

Nice car...I've always loved the CL65

[sound 8]

On paper the 997 TT and the GTR would thrash the 65, certainly in damp conditions where mine was at it's worse!

[cte430]

Tip?

[rbtmak]

6 speed.

1 thing about AMG cars - when the roads are damp...forget about it. ESP will just lihgt on.

R63 AMG with AWD is a different story

[rbtmak]

Agreed.

I used to have an SL55 AMG years ago (2004). In the dry, it was pretty good - lots of torque. But once wet, the car was sloppy and couldn't keep up with AWD cars sporting less power....ie, an Audi S4 beat me off the line pretty badly.

Originally Posted by sound 8

On paper the 997 TT and the GTR would thrash the 65, certainly in damp conditions where mine was at it's worse!

[Deuuuce]

Racing on a damp road, especially with rwd, is plain stupid. If he had a pulley swap (and it was dry) what do you think would happen?

[rbtmak]

An E55 with a pulley swap in the dry is not going to beat even a stock 997TT. Look at the specs of a stock 997TT 0-60, 60-130.

But the E55 would not get walked as bad, that's for sure.

I know, I owned an SL55 and a 996TT concurrently. Had a pulley swap on the SL55, and the stock 996TT still walked it in the dry(barely though). 997TT is faster than 996TT so I assume the same would hold true against a modded E55.

[jmf003]

For starters, I'm glad you thrashed the E55. He had no business cutting in front of you then slowing you down.

That said, what's the best 1/4 mile time for a stock 997TT? Dragtimes suggests it's 11.7 seconds @ 121 MPH. A great time for a stock car but quite a few stage 1 E55s have run similar or slightly better times. More heavily modded 55k cars have run faster still, with 1/4 mile times in the high 10s/low 11s and trap speeds in the high 120s.

Of course a tuned 997TT has the potential to be even faster because of its weight advantage but if the comparison is a modded 55K versus a stock 997TT on a dry, straight track it won't automatically be a win for the P-car.

[rbtmak]

For sure, on a dry straight track, the 997TT would have to be driven perfectly to beat or not get beat by a heavily modded E55.

It's just that my modded SL55 was still pulled on by my stock 996TT....so I assume that a stock 997TT would still pull on a modded E55...

The impressive numbers from your modded SL55 is great....but how many modded E55s will have the level of tune that your 55 has

[jmf003]

Originally Posted by rbtmak

...The impressive numbers from your modded SL55 is great....but how many modded E55s will have the level of tune that your 55 has

Not many, to be honest. I currently sit at #27 on the Absolutely Driven list of the fastest Benzes. 10-12 or so of the cars ahead of me are E55s.

66 cars on the list have run 11.7x seconds or faster and maybe 30 or so of those are E55s.

The advantage an E55 has over other 55K cars is weight: it's 300-400 lbs lighter than an SL55. As a result an E55 will be faster than an SL55 with the same level of engine mods.

FWIW....

[sound 8]

It's funny both my SL55 and even more my CL65 were hopeless in wet conditions, however my SL63 with all the torque and power higher in the
rev range can be used much easier in wet conditions.

[M-bENZ]

Originally Posted by jmf003

For starters, I'm glad you thrashed the E55. He had no business cutting in front of you then slowing you down.

That said, what's the best 1/4 mile time for a stock 997TT? Dragtimes suggests it's 11.7 seconds @ 121 MPH. A great time for a stock car but quite a few stage 1 E55s have run similar or slightly better times. More heavily modded 55k cars have run faster still, with 1/4 mile times in the high 10s/low 11s and trap speeds in the high 120s.
Of course a tuned 997TT has the potential to be even faster because of its weight advantage but if the comparison is a modded 55K versus a stock 997TT on a dry, straight track it won't automatically be a win for the P-car.

not sure on the mod. but this number is impressive,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujsTZ...eature=related

Andy

[jmf003]

Originally Posted by M-bENZ

not sure on the mod. but this number is impressive,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujsTZ...eature=related

Andy

Appears to be 120 wet shot on top of a Kleeman Stage 2: http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-5127.html

Strong car.

[M-bENZ]

no wonders .

Andy

[Vic55]

Nice win but you knew it was coming. I have a 997TT in tip format so I look for dig runs all the time. The car holds its boost so well up to the 100-120's and after that, in stock format, it gets hit with gearing and slushbox auto drivetrain loss and the 6 speeds usually prevail past 150-160.

I got a GTR too (still) and you are right, it needs some work to open up the turbos up top. But the car for only being out about 1 1/2 years really has some great mods and responds very well to them also.


None of my cars are stock though.

[anerbe]

Originally Posted by rbtmak

For sure, on a dry straight track, the 997TT would have to be driven perfectly to beat or not get beat by a heavily modded E55.

It's just that my modded SL55 was still pulled on by my stock 996TT....so I assume that a stock 997TT would still pull on a modded E55...

The impressive numbers from your modded SL55 is great....but how many modded E55s will have the level of tune that your 55 has

With 0-80 even, my stock e55 would pull on my friend's stock 996T after about 80 mph. It would start with a slow walk turning to over a car length in low 100's. It's to my understanding that stock e55's run solid mid 12's while SL55's ran high 12/ flat 13's. I believe stock 996T's are mid to high 12's.

With pulley/ecu/HE combos on E55's now running solid mid 11's, low 120 trap speeds, this is into aggressive 65TT times, which as you said runs pretty close (but doesn't beat) a stock 997TT.

all i know is that seat of the pants, my friend drove my E55 with a stage 2 Eurocharged and said has a very similar pull feel to a stage 1 997TT he drove extensively. The car is now a stage 2 997TT, which is absolutely insane.

[archangel100]

Do you have the 997.2TT or the first generation 997? The 997.2TT will thrash the E55 all the time, from the line, roll or twisties. I guess the 997TT is close enough as well.

With the overboost it has the same torque as the E55, and more power and way less mass. With the 6 speed or the PDK, the drivetrain loss is further alleviated. The only thing that works in E55's favor is its drag, which is 0.28. Since the power specs, drag and final drivetrain ratios are somewhat similar to the 997TT, top speed (mass not being a major concern at that speed) is around 194mph, which is also similar to the 997TT.

In my opinion, they are both beasts for entirely orthogonal purposes. One offers duality and is a luxurious autobahn cruiser for 5 for the most part, but can potentially be a potent sports adversary as well for some. The other is a true sports car in all roots all the time.

[rbtmak]

997TT Generation 1: 6speed, stock/overboost, but will upgrade exhaust, air filters and ECU tune this spring, plus a set of light weight wheels.

Plans for the R63 is either the Kleeman K2, or the Evosport stage 2.

I do miss the r35 GT-R at times - that thing is faster than the 997TT stock to stock. GT-R is a great
car....don't knock it till you tried it.

The only reason I traded the GT-R back for a 997TT was here where I live, it's a total cop magnet. In the 7 years I have been driving Porsches, I got 0 tickets. 3 times, the police just let me off with a warning. The GT-R, 2 tickets in 1 month - 1 because the cop "heard" me speeding, and the other, for going 5 over the limit. I beat both in court though but still....

[Deuuuce]

Originally Posted by anerbe

I believe stock 996T's are mid to high 12's.

I can't comment on your friend's driving above 80mph but mid/high 12s is on the lousy side of the bell curve for a 996TT.

In fact, properly launched 996TT should be in front of a stock E55 at 80mph.