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Old 04-04-2014, 10:54 AM
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Hot freaking damn that looks amazing! Great job!

I recently put 21's on and love the fitment on these 221's.
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Hot freaking damn that looks amazing! Great job!

I recently put 21's on and love the fitment on these 221's.
Like I said before I love 21 its a perfect size for these cars but I got a deal on 20s so here I am sittin on em lol

Glad you like em thx
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Its 4 wheels at 20x10 offset is 40. With a 15mm spacer up front offset now is 25 and rear is a 20mm spacer so offset now is 20. I think that is correct.

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Got it. So right out of the box the wheels have an offset very near the factory spec of 43mm and would bolt right up perfectly without spacers, but you wanted the wheels pushed out flush with the fender lip more and the spacers got you there.

I've had terrible luck with spacers myself but I'm beginning to think I'm an isolated case since a lot of owners report zero problems.
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Got it. So right out of the box the wheels have an offset very near the factory spec of 43mm and would bolt right up perfectly without spacers, but you wanted the wheels pushed out flush with the fender lip more and the spacers got you there.

I've had terrible luck with spacers myself but I'm beginning to think I'm an isolated case since a lot of owners report zero problems.
Hey Mike,

No right out of the box the rear wheel would sit inside the fender and still fit, the front however would not clear the brake and had to be pushed out by 15mm minimum to do this. I used the 15mm up front and it cleared and did 20 mm in rear to match up with the front. Even if they did fit out of the box I would still push them out, I like them sitting pretty even with the fender.

THIS IS HOW THE BACK LOOKED BEFORE THE SPACER WENT ON.

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Like I said before I love 21 its a perfect size for these cars but I got a deal on 20s so here I am sittin on em lol

Glad you like em thx
All good! My wheels started out as 20's as well but I thought they were too small so I up'ed them an inch I had a few extra bucks laying around and figured why not. Since you got a deal on the 20's, all good. Knowing your previous wheel setup's, I was looking forward to seeing what you had this time around and you didn't disappoint!
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All good! My wheels started out as 20's as well but I thought they were too small so I up'ed them an inch I had a few extra bucks laying around and figured why not. Since you got a deal on the 20's, all good. Knowing your previous wheel setup's, I was looking forward to seeing what you had this time around and you didn't disappoint!
Glad to hear that, I can't wait till I build a set for the CL it will be dif lets say.

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Here is a little video of the car rolling. Sorry its just an I-Phone wanted you guys to see what it looks like when moving



PLZ SOMEONE LET ME KNOW IF IT WORKS WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT
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Glad to hear that, I can't wait till I build a set for the CL it will be dif lets say.

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Here is a little video of the car rolling. Sorry its just an I-Phone wanted you guys to see what it looks like when moving



PLZ SOMEONE LET ME KNOW IF IT WORKS WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT
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^^^ Good to know

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Hey Mike,

No right out of the box the rear wheel would sit inside the fender and still fit, the front however would not clear the brake and had to be pushed out by 15mm minimum to do this. I used the 15mm up front and it cleared and did 20 mm in rear to match up with the front. Even if they did fit out of the box I would still push them out, I like them sitting pretty even with the fender.

THIS IS HOW THE BACK LOOKED BEFORE THE SPACER WENT ON.

Yeah, I'd have pushed those out too. It's amazing the difference a few millimeters makes. Especially with a drop you need those wheels as flush as possible. I'd say you got there. So between the drop and the +1 wheel sizing you reduced the overall suspension compliance to some extent. Is the ride noticeably stiffer? Does it still feel generally like a stock S on rougher surfaces?
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Yeah, I'd have pushed those out too. It's amazing the difference a few millimeters makes. Especially with a drop you need those wheels as flush as possible. I'd say you got there. So between the drop and the +1 wheel sizing you reduced the overall suspension compliance to some extent. Is the ride noticeably stiffer? Does it still feel generally like a stock S on rougher surfaces?
You would not believe how good the ride is, I'm not sure if its not smoother than on the stock 19s. Its cery close and if you were in area I would not mind you checking it out. The handling is vetter too having the wider range and being lower. Ill be honest Im a bit affraid to push a heavy car like that with spacers through a turn really hard but it de handles better.
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I believe ya. I was nervous about going to 20's and I can't feel any difference vs the 19's but I'm not dropped. I have a set of 5mm and 10mm HR Trak spacers in the garage. Maybe I'll order some lug bolts and try them on my OEM 20's. Where did you get your lug bolts from?
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I believe ya. I was nervous about going to 20's and I can't feel any difference vs the 19's but I'm not dropped. I have a set of 5mm and 10mm HR Trak spacers in the garage. Maybe I'll order some lug bolts and try them on my OEM 20's. Where did you get your lug bolts from?
Lugs came with spacers so you would need to measure the length. Lower it man your missing out and def do the spacers. You got any pics of the car?
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Here she is (yawn):



Staggered 20's (OEM S63 Wheels). 43+ offset so I could push them out like yours. If you could hit me back with part numbers or ordering info on your same front and rear spacers and lugs that would be great! Love the lowered look, not sure if I'd do links again but they are the most efficient option.

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That Rentech piece is cool but expensive as hell plus kind of a pain to install. Ordered GhostLinks.

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^^^ Car looks great Mike te lowering and spacers will change the entire thing it will be 10 times nicer
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Originally Posted by Mike5215
You can run them! It's not the rim widths that can cause an issue, it's just having too great a variance in rolling wheel diameters (the diameter of the rim plus the tire) between the front and rear axles. Just be careful when choosing tires to keep the variance under 3%.

Here's a couple of "safe" 21" fitments for your 4Matic:

F 21x9 255/30R21 R 21x10.5 285/30R21 (Variance of 2.60%)

And safer:

F 21x9 255/35R21 R 21x10.5 285/30R21 (Variance of 1.05%)


www.1010tire.com has a nice online calculator that lets you experiment with different front vs rear tire sizes and reports the difference in rolling diameters.
I know this has been argued & beat to death on several threads, and MOST people say it wont cause any damages as long as you maintain overall diameter.. It still scares the $h!t outta me tho... I called my local benz shop and spoke to their shop manager. He STRONGLY recommended I NOT do it.. He listed all the things I'd be putting stress on, even if I maintained OD. I'm SO tempted to do still do it, but don't want to regret it.

Here's a pic of my old w221 with 21" Staggered, & my new w221 4matic with 20" OEM AMG wheels..
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^^^Nice wheels. Had an S430 in Pewter. Anyone who's seen that color in person loves it.

That white one had the biggest damn cell antenna I've ever seen! There must be really bad cell coverage there.

On your current car, I'd sell the Brabus wheels and raise some cash. I'd do a wrap on the roof in "carbon fiber"
or gloss black, and get spacers for your OEM 20's to push them out toward the corners more or get a fresh set of 20's with a lower offset.

I'm not a mechanic and I wouldn't want you to damage the car. But my kid brother up in NY is a great mechanic and he'll know if your guy's arguments have any merit. I'll get ahold of him this weekend and repost.

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How much the wheels and tires go for and where you purchased them from?
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How much the wheels and tires go for and where you purchased them from?
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I purchased these from a forum member. Im not sure where he got them but these seem to be the same here you just need 20x10 all around. Ask the seller if he will sell you 4 of them in 20x10 I dont think that should be an issue at all and tires are 245/35/20 you can get these for around $100 a piece.

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Thanks for the link.

I thought yours was made from OZ because I saw the center caps that looks like it says OZ wheels.
Without using spacers and not lowering the car do you think it look good?
I probably want to keep everything close to original as possible except for those mesh wheels of course
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I thought yours was made from OZ because I saw the center caps that looks like it says OZ wheels.
Without using spacers and not lowering the car do you think it look good?
I probably want to keep everything close to original as possible except for those mesh wheels of course
Yes these are OZ so you can look for these as well. You cannot run these wheels without spacers, they will not fit in the front. Once you put a 15mm spacer up front you will need to space out rear as well. Not lowered will still look better than stock I believe.
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I will check if OZ still make this model

Any idea how much expect to pay for these OZ 20x 10's ? I looked for them briefly and as not able to find who sells them.
Mine is black just like yours with the same OEM wheels now. Seeing those rims on your car got me excited for a new look perhaps.
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Any idea how much expect to pay for these OZ 20x 10's ? I looked for them briefly and as not able to find who sells them.
Mine is black just like yours with the same OEM wheels now. Seeing those rims on your car got me excited for a new look perhaps.
I will look around for you for sure I just got busy today will try to find them tomorrow. I bought these used from AndreNY he will know for sure
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HR Trak spacers ordered. 15mm and 20mm.
Congrats Mike make sure to post pics as soon as you get them. What are you using for lowering?


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