irablumberg

If so and it follows the W204 model, then it will be a coupe. Howl would this compare to a base GT or even a GT-S?


Again, if it follows the last generation path, it will be lighter, stiffer and significantly more powerful than the base C63 and likely have no back seat.


Seems like this would overshadow the base GT and give the GT-S some real competition.


Any thoughts?

Will617

Black series stand apart so it should not be compared to a different model. Performance should be better then any regular model AMG produces. I'm sure the price will be near a GT(s) as well. Looking forward to the design after the wide stands of the w205 AMG coupe.

AV1

Hers's hoping that there will definitely be a 205 series Black

BTW it's model prefix designation is C205

In terms of its performance advantage over the "regular" AMG coupe variant/s well that will be something everyone concerned will want to know, the new AMG C63 coupe is already boasting huge credentials and looks like becoming a new segment champion, a BS variant will only push the bar even higher, but I don't think it'll better the AMG GT in terms of which is the more focused outright sports car.

Power is also an interesting one, the previous C204 C63 Black was not significantly more powerful than the regular C63 especially in the torque numbers, but this new 205 series with forced induction can be made to be significantly more powerful, only time will tell as I always say - interesting and exciting times ahead

Will617

Yes, my mistake

jrcart

The only Black Series model that has been officially mentioned by AMG is the GT Black Series and they have been hush hush on that model only saying it is still a few years away from being released. I would assume they would also offer a Black Series version of the new C coupe a couple years after the GT Black Series is released. Don't expect a 4-door Black Series, it will NEVER happen, AMG said so when they released the first Black Series 9 years ago and reiterated that two years ago when the SLS BS was released.

TCB EP

RENDERING of what a Black Series C63 Coupe could look like..../Users/edpierce/Desktop/Cg63-AMG-BS-10.jpg

TCB EP

Sorry, couldn't include photo ?

AlexZTuned

Here it is... but I don't think this is accurate at all. Wrong fender badge and front bumper looks like a modified C450 Sport.

http://www.carscoops.com/2015/09/rea...s-amg-c63.html

AV1

All good Will


Different model variant designations are always a PITA

abcut973

A black series model is usually more track oriented. So it is not necessarily all about power. Suspension,braking,balance and aero are usually the focus points.


That rendering is so awful. If a new C63 BS is produced it won't look near that!

abcut973

OP that link probably answers your question

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...exclusive-pics


Clearly BMW aims at the C63 Black Series with this GTS.

irablumberg

Based on the previous generation C63, the HP went up by 29 from the highest otherwise available model (not counting the 507 Edition which only got released well after the Black Series was discontinued) and the weight decreased by 200+ pounds.

As we know the new engine is capable of being "jacked up" much higher and much more easily than the M156. Based on this, I suspect a new Black Series would add at least 50 HP and should again remove at least 200 lbs. With those changes and the additional suspension, braking, balance and aero upgrades, I think the Black Series C63 would indeed beat the base GT and at least challenge the GT-S.

Doa

the last C63 black had a way better handling and transmission vs the regular C63.

anyway a black series only comes out when the model is almost at the end of its lifetime so i don't expect a C205 black series before 2019-2020
we still have to get the facelift first

BLKROKT

The W204 C63 BS had the exact same transmission as non-BS

And it came out exactly mid-cycle

Doa

mid-cycle is impossible as the coupe only came out mid-cycle...
its a statement from AMG btw that black series only come at the end of the cycle (SLK, SL, CLK, C all seem to comfirm that)

ever driven the black series? transmission might be the same on the mechanical level but it reacts much faster

BLKROKT

Well, the BS came out in 2012. Same year as the FL. Same year as the coupe. Which is the definition of mid-cycle as you yourself stated above.

And yes, I have driven a BS. And the MCT transmission is not different in any way to the 'normal' C63 MCT as also found in the FL cars. Not in the mechanics. Or TCU programming. Or speed of shifts. It's a fact.

Back on topic now....

vaelin

At the AMG Private Lounge gathering at Laguna Seca this weekend, it was stated that:

1. Black Series are always coupes;
2. Will only happen in the last 2-3 years of a 7 year model cycle.

This was in context of the AMG GT R session.

AlexZTuned

Anyone think that the new naming convention for the AMG GT is going to trickle down to the C63?

I can totally see a C63 R slotting in between the C63S and the C63 Black Series.

Sanch

I think so too!

SBH-

id like to see that happen tbh

SBH-

+1
this looks nothing close to a BS... and imo, you're right it looks like a modified c450 or more accurately c43

jrcart

No it's not, he was correct it's called a W205

Trim105

Since we're talking about a Black Series Coupe here, C205 is correct though W205 refers to the saloon only.

Also as people have said, that rendering is terribly inaccurate. If/when we do see a 205 C63 BS it will have the new front end design that debuted on the GTR.

SBH-

+1 however, i dont get why they have the front grill design on the e63 (from what i observed from the spyshots)

Trim105

We'll have to get used to it because that new front grill is going to grace all future AMG's. The S63 Coupe face-lift was spotted with the same. It looks great on the GTR (and actually doesn't look too bad on the E63) but it'll be interesting to see how it translates to other AMG models.