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Old 06-18-2008, 09:28 PM
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Cure for hesitation??

I know you guys are probably tired of hearing about my hesitation...but with MBUSA giving up on me...this is my only sounding board.>>>BUT I think I might have found the issue...but need some opinions.....the other day..driving as usual...stopped for gas...after I filled up I turned the corner and..BOG...I was soooo P***ed of I just starting to pump the accelerator pedel in anger, but something happened...after my last stop...no hesitation...no big deal...stopped again, no hesitation. I have been driving the car for almost a week and no hesitation. Since this is a drive by wire vehicle, could the sensor be off in relation to the throttle, or could the throttle be binding up?? Have an appointment on Monday...the dealer said that he will look at the throttle sensor and throttle.....ideas..??...possible sensor issue, ? even if it does not throw a code out??

Thanks for any ideas...!!
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Good news Walt, I saw your original post in the AMG PL tonight.
I hope the hesitation is gone forever.
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Try slowing down with engine braking from say 60MPH. Keep down shifting so the engine ROM jumps to 5K on the down shift. As the RPM falls below 1500 or 1000, not sure which, then hit the throttle. It is something like this that produces the worst bog for me and I am willing to bet it is emissions related.

If I do the same thing, but give the car 2-3 seconds before applying the throttle, no bog. Not going to 1st gear, no bogs. No bog when doing "launches" from a dead stop.

No if your pounding the throttle loosened things up. Great, but given the number of people reporting this, I think it may be just driving style vs the emsissions control.
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To be honest with all...I really don't know if the throttle could be somewhat binding or if it is emissions related. If it was emissions related...virtually everybody would have the same issue...but there are some very strong "63's" here that don't. Geez I am hoping this is something as simple as a bind in the throttle or pedel sensor.......I'll wait until monday and find out, but what I do know is that I don't have the hesitation any more........I don't know...it just seems to simple of a fix....
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I have no hesitation/bogging in my 07 e63. Never have.
I hope you get your car fixed. Other then a few odd squeaks I have been very happy with the responsiveness of this car.

FYI my car went into the stealership today for the power steering pump to be replaced. making noise.
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Originally Posted by buckeyewalt
To be honest with all...I really don't know if the throttle could be somewhat binding or if it is emissions related. If it was emissions related...virtually everybody would have the same issue...but there are some very strong "63's" here that don't. Geez I am hoping this is something as simple as a bind in the throttle or pedel sensor.......I'll wait until monday and find out, but what I do know is that I don't have the hesitation any more........I don't know...it just seems to simple of a fix....
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Buy my Sprint Booster , you will never feel this again
Juicee-- If it was me only driving the car...I probably would have done that a long time ago.........but since my wife is the main driver (60%)...I really don't think she could handle this....she has a whopping 2.5 mile drive to her school where she teaches.....

But the questions remains...........can the pedel sensor or throttle linkage be at fault...without throwing out any codes.??
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Originally Posted by Fr33kn63
I have no hesitation/bogging in my 07 e63. Never have.
I hope you get your car fixed. Other then a few odd squeaks I have been very happy with the responsiveness of this car.

FYI my car went into the stealership today for the power steering pump to be replaced. making noise.
Mine is a '07 also....you're lucky you don't have the hesitation issue....unless there is a code...the dealer won't do anything...thanks for the heads-up on the p.s. pump!
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Hmmm which hesitation would I prefer? The one on the E or the one on the P? Not sure I would have admitted the P issue like jrcart.
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Originally Posted by Jon2007E63P30
Hmmm which hesitation would I prefer? The one on the E or the one on the P? Not sure I would have admitted the P issue like jrcart.
Only when enjoying adult beverages in excess my friend...besides it's only hesitation not a complete stall.
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Originally Posted by buckeyewalt
I know you guys are probably tired of hearing about my hesitation...but with MBUSA giving up on me...this is my only sounding board.>>>BUT I think I might have found the issue...but need some opinions.....the other day..driving as usual...stopped for gas...after I filled up I turned the corner and..BOG...I was soooo P***ed of I just starting to pump the accelerator pedel in anger, but something happened...after my last stop...no hesitation...no big deal...stopped again, no hesitation. I have been driving the car for almost a week and no hesitation. Since this is a drive by wire vehicle, could the sensor be off in relation to the throttle, or could the throttle be binding up?? Have an appointment on Monday...the dealer said that he will look at the throttle sensor and throttle.....ideas..??...possible sensor issue, ? even if it does not throw a code out??

Thanks for any ideas...!!
Does your hesitation happen in S and C modes or just S?
Does it happen in manual?
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
Does your hesitation happen in S and C modes or just S?
Does it happen in manual?
I only keep the transmission in S mode.....I haven't used manual that much, but it does it some, but not as frequent as in S mode. As an update...we out last night to dinner...and it did bog twice in first gear in S mode...then it was perfect the rest of the night. My pedal pounding didn't cure it...but it did help!
To the dealer on Monday...!!
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I highly doubt the sprint booster would work. You can floor the throttle and get nothing. Someone at AMG needs to tell us why. I doubt they can fix it without exceeding emissions.
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Originally Posted by Jon2007E63P30
I highly doubt the sprint booster would work. You can floor the throttle and get nothing. Someone at AMG needs to tell us why. I doubt they can fix it without exceeding emissions.
You know..I wouldn't mind if everyone's E63 did this....but they all don't. Thats the killer.......there are several people on here who have this issue...and a whole bunch more that don't...WHY???
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Originally Posted by buckeyewalt
You know..I wouldn't mind if everyone's E63 did this....but they all don't. Thats the killer.......there are several people on here who have this issue...and a whole bunch more that don't...WHY???
Did you personally drive an E63 that did not do the hesitation? Although I can't feel mine doing it, my experience maybe different than yours. I wish you were local...... I would've let you drive my car and see if it's hesitating. If it is true that some E63 don't have the hesitation problem, then it's got to be ECU related because the engines and transmissions are identical. Maybe different ECU file versions or even adaptation modes.
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Solution for your hesitation

Your hesitation seems like adaptive transmission learned your driving habit and adapted to it. When you start to drive aggressively, transmission learns your new habits. This procedure to reset ECU will reset adaptive transmission so your car will feel agressive again. But if you drive slow, transmission will learn and you'll need to perform procedure again. If you drive aggressive all the time, you won't see hesitation. Next time the car hesitate, pull into a parking lot and perform this procedure. If this fix it, it's your transmission learning the way you normally drive.

1. Turn the ignition key to the on (not start) position.

2. Press the gas pedal to the floor and hold for five seconds.

3. Turn the key to the "off" position (don't remove the key), then release the gas pedal.

4. Wait at least two minutes for ECU to reset.
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i have on 08 e63 and mine does every morning i drive it. dealer cant fix and some jack *** mechanic said its amgs way of letting the car warm up before it will go.
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Originally Posted by jd986s
Your hesitation seems like adaptive transmission learned your driving habit and adapted to it. When you start to drive aggressively, transmission learns your new habits. This procedure to reset ECU will reset adaptive transmission so your car will feel agressive again. But if you drive slow, transmission will learn and you'll need to perform procedure again. If you drive aggressive all the time, you won't see hesitation. Next time the car hesitate, pull into a parking lot and perform this procedure. If this fix it, it's your transmission learning the way you normally drive.

1. Turn the ignition key to the on (not start) position.

2. Press the gas pedal to the floor and hold for five seconds.

3. Turn the key to the "off" position (don't remove the key), then release the gas pedal.

4. Wait at least two minutes for ECU to reset.
I have tried the ECU reset over and over....no difference. I really don't think its emissions related because "everyone" does not have the issue.
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i have on 08 e63 and mine does every morning i drive it. dealer cant fix and some jack *** mechanic said its amgs way of letting the car warm up before it will go.
Well I hate to see that the '08, or at least some '08's have it.......I drove a an '08 CLS63 at the dealers about a month ago....and it seemed perfect to me...no hesitation,,,and very strong. Man,,I just don't get it.!!! Maybe everyone does have the hesitation...and they just discount it as just part of the driveability of the engine....??
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Originally Posted by buckeyewalt
Well I hate to see that the '08, or at least some '08's have it.......I drove a an '08 CLS63 at the dealers about a month ago....and it seemed perfect to me...no hesitation,,,and very strong. Man,,I just don't get it.!!! Maybe everyone does have the hesitation...and they just discount it as just part of the driveability of the engine....??
That's what I was suggesting. Maybe we do have it, but not realizing or classifying it as hesitation

So far, I've experienced no hesitation on 1st gear. But going from 2nd to 3rd, at times, I've experienced a slight hesitation. I can't consistently re-produce it. And it only occurs in Comfort mode.

I have a feeling that it's all due to computer adaptations trying to constantly modify it's behavior to fit ours
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
That's what I was suggesting. Maybe we do have it, but not realizing or classifying it as hesitation

So far, I've experienced no hesitation on 1st gear. But going from 2nd to 3rd, at times, I've experienced a slight hesitation. I can't consistently re-produce it. And it only occurs in Comfort mode.

I have a feeling that it's all due to computer adaptations trying to constantly modify it's behavior to fit ours
Mine is ALWAYS in first gear...off idle. Meaning when depressing the pedal (throttle tip-in), from a stop, the is a slight hesitation or some call it a bog. If it was a computer adaptations...it would do it consistantly and with everybody, mine does not, and not every gear......only first and S mode.
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Originally Posted by jd986s
Your hesitation seems like adaptive transmission learned your driving habit and adapted to it. When you start to drive aggressively, transmission learns your new habits. This procedure to reset ECU will reset adaptive transmission so your car will feel agressive again. But if you drive slow, transmission will learn and you'll need to perform procedure again. If you drive aggressive all the time, you won't see hesitation. Next time the car hesitate, pull into a parking lot and perform this procedure. If this fix it, it's your transmission learning the way you normally drive.

1. Turn the ignition key to the on (not start) position.

2. Press the gas pedal to the floor and hold for five seconds.

3. Turn the key to the "off" position (don't remove the key), then release the gas pedal.

4. Wait at least two minutes for ECU to reset.
Is the reset the same on the CLS55 AMG? If it is, can you remove the key after step 3? Do you have to restart same day after performing step 1-3? Thx


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