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Old 01-10-2009, 02:27 PM   #1
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Exclamation CLK DTM for sale on ebay

Not affiliated, but since it's one of 100, I thought maybe someone here might be interested. Amazing car, makes a 63 BS look like child's play, can't believe it's not fetching more.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...ht_2239wt_1508
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Police scanner is a little much and whats with the tow hook hanging out the front bumper?
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Police scanner is a little much and whats with the tow hook hanging out the front bumper?
Yeah I would take that out, but I'm sure that with all the track equipment they have in there, they would also put in a tow hook for track days just in case.
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CRAZY CAR!!!! I want one.....

we should get one as a mbworld shop car, you could keep it on my garage for free...
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:00 PM   #5
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CRAZY CAR!!!! I want one.....

we should get one as a mbworld shop car, you could keep it on my garage for free...
Haha, group buy!!! I think we should get shared custody, though. I would give a lot to have that thing.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:04 PM   #6
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makes a 63 BS look like child's play
the Black Series actually laps the 'Ring NINE SECONDS faster than the DTM.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

As far as "looks", well, I personally think the DTM looks a bit overblown...
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This one http://lotus-scottsdale.ebizautos.co...m-3127880.html has been for sale for well over a year.
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the Black Series actually laps the 'Ring NINE SECONDS faster than the DTM.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

As far as "looks", well, I personally think the DTM looks a bit overblown...
How is that? I thought the DTM was extremely light, ~the same as a BS. plus its got monster tires and wings. and a huge power advantage. It must've been wet that day or something.
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+1 Group buy, and since I am in Ft. Lauderdale I can pick it up for you guys.
This car might hold it's value better than a CLK 63 BS being 1 of 100.
I think I'll go check it out right now.
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the Black Series actually laps the 'Ring NINE SECONDS faster than the DTM.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

As far as "looks", well, I personally think the DTM looks a bit overblown...
Interesting, the DTM has a 80 HP. and 100 lbs. advantage, what would you say makes for a 9 second difference on the ring? the driver (sport club)?

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Ok it may well be driver, here is a link of times at Hockenheim short, and the DTM is faster than the CLK 63 BS and the venerable SLR too!!!

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html

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How is that? I thought the DTM was extremely light, ~the same as a BS. plus its got monster tires and wings. and a huge power advantage. It must've been wet that day or something.
It was not wet, AFAIK. Yes, the DTM has more power....but with the DTM aero setup on a long track like the Nordschleife, it actually slows the car down. There are many other factors that have been discussed in the BS forum as to why the BS is faster. Of course, being such a limited prd vehicle, the DTM will be worth more in the long run. But who the hell knows...I think the CLK BS is one of the most under rated cars around and I think as time goes by, prices will start goin back up.
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How is that? I thought the DTM was extremely light, ~the same as a BS. plus its got monster tires and wings. and a huge power advantage. It must've been wet that day or something.
The CLK63 BS time was posted by DTM Series champion driver Bernd Schneider while the CLK-DTM time was posted by Sport Auto magazine. While I'm certain the S-A drivers are competent, they probably aren't in Bernd's league.

At Hockenheim (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html) and at Oschersleben (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track11.html) the CLK-DTM has the faster time on record.
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The CLK63 BS time was posted by DTM Series champion driver Bernd Schneider while the CLK-DTM time was posted by Sport Auto magazine. While I'm certain the S-A drivers are competent, they probably aren't in Bernd's league.

At Hockenheim (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html) and at Oschersleben (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track11.html) the CLK-DTM has the faster time on record.
That's what I was thinking, I am positive they aren't as good as Schneider, he's one of the best. I know the BS is an insane track car, but the DTM is too. If its just the aero drag too, I'm sure that could be adjusted. It would be cool to have someone like Walter Rohrl drive both back to back on the ring, and see what happens.
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Agreed, but there is also the value that each car represents. Unless you just have money to burn, the BS is a much better overall value. Especially considering the current prices for slightly used Black Series...
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That's what I was thinking, I am positive they aren't as good as Schneider, he's one of the best. I know the BS is an insane track car, but the DTM is too. If its just the aero drag too, I'm sure that could be adjusted. It would be cool to have someone like Walter Rohrl drive both back to back on the ring, and see what happens.
Your point about aero drag is a good one.

BTW, Schneider just retired from racing and is now an "ambassador" for AMG: http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Oct08/2...mbassador.html
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The ultimate daily driver and my all time favorite car!
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The thing sticking out of the front bumper is simply the tow hook from the trunk that all our cars have. Either some moron thought it looked cool or they forgot to take it off after using it during transport. Unscrew, stick the tow hook cover back on the bumper, and it will be all pretty again.
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I ran against the CLK DTM's in the AMG trophy cup at the Sachenring in my Black Series. My experience is primary not second or third hand internet conjecture.

Here's my take, the Clk63 BS is FASTER through the corners than the DTM's. The reason the KW suspension is superior to that on the DTM's. Coming out of the corners we were faster than the DTM's as we could put the power down sooner. The torque curve on an NA vehicle doesn't have the shock load that FI motor has in exit speed allowing the Black better grip. The DTM's power advantage was evident only at the very long straights and they lost that advantage coming out of the corners so we were overal faster. The modified DTM's were another story.

Like the BS the DTM's were designed to be bullet proof with track use in mind. I met one owner who had 30,000 km on his car all on the track with no problems. The value in these cars will eventually be recognized as Luke said. I think the DTM would make a nice addition to a collection given its mystique but comparing back to back the Black will win due to the more advanced development.
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Very interesting. Thanks a lot. That must've been some great racing. I was thinking that the massive low end torque might've been an issue in corner exit. Interesting that they didn't decide to put a better suspension on the DTM.
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I still want one... Anybody got an extra $100k laying around that they don't need?
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I think that one major factor in the comparative performance between the DTM and BS must be tires. IIRC, the DTM had puny 225/35-19 size front tires compared to the 265/30-19 P-Zero Corsa tires on the front of the BS. That's a big difference in rubber.
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I still want one... Anybody got an extra $100k laying around that they don't need?
i dont think that it will sell under 300k, or at least that what it used to sell for....
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i wonder if we could get the same engine cover on the DTM to fit our cars? Check the pic of the CF engine cover on the Scottsdale-Lotus car.
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the CLK DTM is one of the main reasons i bought a CLK, such a great car, wish i had 100+k
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here is a link to the one for sale in scottsdale, lots of good pics!

http://lotus-scottsdale.ebizautos.co...m-3127880.html

But $489,000!!!!!!!!!! Kinda steep....
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