BenzBoy12

Not affiliated, but since it's one of 100, I thought maybe someone here might be interested. Amazing car, makes a 63 BS look like child's play, can't believe it's not fetching more.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...ht_2239wt_1508

emoving

Police scanner is a little much and whats with the tow hook hanging out the front bumper?

BenzBoy12

Yeah I would take that out, but I'm sure that with all the track equipment they have in there, they would also put in a tow hook for track days just in case.

aleksandar1099

CRAZY CAR!!!! I want one.....

we should get one as a mbworld shop car, you could keep it on my garage for free...

BenzBoy12

Haha, group buy!!! I think we should get shared custody, though. I would give a lot to have that thing.

LZH

the Black Series actually laps the 'Ring NINE SECONDS faster than the DTM.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

As far as "looks", well, I personally think the DTM looks a bit overblown...

2MnyToys

This one http://lotus-scottsdale.ebizautos.co...m-3127880.html has been for sale for well over a year.

BenzBoy12

How is that? I thought the DTM was extremely light, ~the same as a BS. plus its got monster tires and wings. and a huge power advantage. It must've been wet that day or something.

Yacht Master

+1 Group buy, and since I am in Ft. Lauderdale I can pick it up for you guys.
This car might hold it's value better than a CLK 63 BS being 1 of 100.
I think I'll go check it out right now.

Yacht Master

Interesting, the DTM has a 80 HP. and 100 lbs. advantage, what would you say makes for a 9 second difference on the ring? the driver (sport club)?

EDIT:
Ok it may well be driver, here is a link of times at Hockenheim short, and the DTM is faster than the CLK 63 BS and the venerable SLR too!!!

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html

LZH

It was not wet, AFAIK. Yes, the DTM has more power....but with the DTM aero setup on a long track like the Nordschleife, it actually slows the car down. There are many other factors that have been discussed in the BS forum as to why the BS is faster. Of course, being such a limited prd vehicle, the DTM will be worth more in the long run. But who the hell knows...I think the CLK BS is one of the most under rated cars around and I think as time goes by, prices will start goin back up.

jmf003

The CLK63 BS time was posted by DTM Series champion driver Bernd Schneider while the CLK-DTM time was posted by Sport Auto magazine. While I'm certain the S-A drivers are competent, they probably aren't in Bernd's league.

At Hockenheim (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html) and at Oschersleben (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track11.html) the CLK-DTM has the faster time on record.

BenzBoy12

That's what I was thinking, I am positive they aren't as good as Schneider, he's one of the best. I know the BS is an insane track car, but the DTM is too. If its just the aero drag too, I'm sure that could be adjusted. It would be cool to have someone like Walter Rohrl drive both back to back on the ring, and see what happens.

LZH

Agreed, but there is also the value that each car represents. Unless you just have money to burn, the BS is a much better overall value. Especially considering the current prices for slightly used Black Series...

jmf003

Your point about aero drag is a good one.

BTW, Schneider just retired from racing and is now an "ambassador" for AMG: http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Oct08/2...mbassador.html

Blacksport350

The ultimate daily driver and my all time favorite car!

Blacksport350

The thing sticking out of the front bumper is simply the tow hook from the trunk that all our cars have. Either some moron thought it looked cool or they forgot to take it off after using it during transport. Unscrew, stick the tow hook cover back on the bumper, and it will be all pretty again.

Jim Brady

I ran against the CLK DTM's in the AMG trophy cup at the Sachenring in my Black Series. My experience is primary not second or third hand internet conjecture.

Here's my take, the Clk63 BS is FASTER through the corners than the DTM's. The reason the KW suspension is superior to that on the DTM's. Coming out of the corners we were faster than the DTM's as we could put the power down sooner. The torque curve on an NA vehicle doesn't have the shock load that FI motor has in exit speed allowing the Black better grip. The DTM's power advantage was evident only at the very long straights and they lost that advantage coming out of the corners so we were overal faster. The modified DTM's were another story.

Like the BS the DTM's were designed to be bullet proof with track use in mind. I met one owner who had 30,000 km on his car all on the track with no problems. The value in these cars will eventually be recognized as Luke said. I think the DTM would make a nice addition to a collection given its mystique but comparing back to back the Black will win due to the more advanced development.
Jimmy

BenzBoy12

Very interesting. Thanks a lot. That must've been some great racing. I was thinking that the massive low end torque might've been an issue in corner exit. Interesting that they didn't decide to put a better suspension on the DTM.

F1Bobby

I still want one... Anybody got an extra $100k laying around that they don't need?

Point2Point

I think that one major factor in the comparative performance between the DTM and BS must be tires. IIRC, the DTM had puny 225/35-19 size front tires compared to the 265/30-19 P-Zero Corsa tires on the front of the BS. That's a big difference in rubber.

aleksandar1099

i dont think that it will sell under 300k, or at least that what it used to sell for....

psuball1

i wonder if we could get the same engine cover on the DTM to fit our cars? Check the pic of the CF engine cover on the Scottsdale-Lotus car.

wazv6

the CLK DTM is one of the main reasons i bought a CLK, such a great car, wish i had 100+k

aleksandar1099

here is a link to the one for sale in scottsdale, lots of good pics!

http://lotus-scottsdale.ebizautos.co...m-3127880.html

But $489,000!!!!!!!!!! Kinda steep....