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http://www.germancarforum.com/intern...aguar-xfr.html

pearlpower

See, that is the problem with the E63, make the Performance Package standard. Greedy bean counters instead opted to let the world compare the slower version to the M5 and though yes it prevailed in this comparison, the might PP would have stomped either.

TruTaing

Wait a minute here, what happened?

The MB is faster to 62, more economical, less harmful for the environment, lighter, smaller in all dimensions, and has a bigger trunk?!?!

AKnight55

Yea, I dont get it.. Why wouldnt they use the PP for this test though?

slownrusty

Excellent!

Price.

LawRens

Thought the f10 m5 gets better mileage?? And if i get this right, the w212 is quicker AND outhandles the m5?

I believe PP wasn't used in this comparo because they wanted to keep price ranges as relative as possible. But i can't say anything for the XFR

tbal

E63 BMW, Ford go home

Cylinder Head

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I await more tests, but it looks that way. Insane!

cahiil55k

28.8mpg combined for the E63??? Is that a typo?

e500slr

FINALLY!! An M5 which sucks and looks ugly and has a stupid engine compared to the V10. I don't care how economical or powerful it is, the old V10 made the E60 M5 what it was. The new W212 E63 is WAY better looking than the new M5 or even the old one in fact, handles better, has a better engine, better economy, less weight...this should have come sooner Mercedes I've always loved Mercedes more and even though I decided to go with the E55 rather than the M5 I always had a slant eye for the E60 M5. Everytime I'd see one, I'd imagine if I had picked that. I don't have regrets but the old M5 was a competitor to the E55/E63, in a straight line it may not have been as fast or as smooth in daily driving but it has it's own character and appeal. Just from looking now, I can't see the difference between the Jag and the M5. Personally I would never consider a Jag, I don't know why but just NO. Now, even though I haven't driven it, the M5 is inferior the Mercedes.

The new CLS is better too, looks like the new Mercedes cars (or some of them...) are really good. Even though our E55s look nice and especially with the E63 facelift, the new W212 has grown on me. The front is so damn EVIL! The back is also gorgeous, I actually love the taillights. The problem sit he body though, I do get it when people say it look like the Hyundai, I know, it doesn't and it's a very sexy car but I do get the "shape" thing. The W211s lines are very typical Mercedes. Nevertheless, the new E63 is just SEX and it's a better car than the other trash

e500slr

Those new TT V8s are very economical. The direct injection improves fuel economy alot. I think they have stop/start as well in certain modes.

e500slr

Regarding the XFR, the interior looks really similar to a POS econo car. Take a look.

http://jaguareffect.in/images/2010_J...Interior_4.png

http://img.netcarshow.com/Holden-Vec...llpaper_12.jpg

Maybe not exactly but the dash looks very similar, yes the gauges, door trim is different but it's an UGLY interior. The new E63 and also our W211s have much nicer interiors. It's just a nice place to be. Jaguars feel very alien, it's like you don't fit or even supposed to be in there (well in my case). Maybe others have liked Jags but Jaguar has to step up it's game to get ahead. Just like the old Aston Martin DB7 stunk like a skunk, but then they fixed up their mess with the DB9/DBS which are mesmerizing.

cahiil55k

I just looked up the 2012 E63 and CLS63 and it looks like 15/21mpg are ballpark. I guess they meant 28.8 km/g. (not that anyone buying one of these saloons gives a rats azz about gas mileage but it would have been cool to be able to tell a Camry driver that their car does NOT get better mileage than the Benz)

.trunzx

Now all I except to see is:

Coming soon to Car and Driver: New M5 smashes all competition!

cahiil55k

Yep, that and each car's 0-60 will be 0.4 seconds faster than any other published magazine. C&D is so predictable.

CharlyE500

yea but impossible to get 28MPG combine ! which freeway has to be like 32MPG ? no way.

LawRens

I expect to read this on Motortrend and Autoweek's headlines as well. They gotta keep their overly large BMW fan base happy, right?

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Bimmerpost members not happy about the results.

vdubpower

ca n someone pdf this article , im having trouble following it like this on the forum , thanks

Cylinder Head

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I'd put money on it.

Jakpro1

"For us, the Mercedes is the King Of the Hill....just"

+1 with Cyl....Expect C&D to reverse that with their slanted crappy review coming soon.

Go AMG!! FINALLY some friggin handling props!

justinwrock

Imperial MPG vs US MPG.


Its about 23-24 US MPG.

Still, better than my E55!

citylightva

They sure aren't...

I Like Soup

I never thought I'd see the day when a Benz weighed less than a Bimmer?! :whoa:

infantry

I don't see any side fender badges on the new 6.3 is this real life?

I get about 20 combined driving like a g ma. would be nice to get 28.