Why does kleemann say stock injectors are fine ?

[AMG E Power]

Why is It that kleemann says our cars r fine all the way up to a K4 ! I recently purchased a set of Bosch ev14 550 injectors from e55amgrocket (thanks btw) for the future when my car is making around 500 to the wheels. This is what I have been told by a lot of members here that it's kinda the gold standard to upgrade injectors when ur making around 500 to the wheels. When I was inquiring about getting them installed at a highly recommended shop that happens to be a authorized kleemann dealer they thought I was crazy and said he had done numerous E 55s without every upgrading the injectors with zero problems whats up with that.....

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[amg guy]

I dunno but it's less than $500 for peace of mind for me as well as the looped rail. The stock injectors go static and are not large enough once they go static. Why risk it? EC did the remote flash for me for my 550 TTM injectors. Car runs and idles much smoother

[e55amgrocket]

I believe it's because they keep the tune very safe which is good. They don't do tunes for bigger than a 178-180 I believe and I think there was another member that was out of injector at like 530 or something with kleemann tune.

[RedBullJnky]

Their tune and pulley size are not as aggressive as most. Angelo has been running Kleeman for years, and is pushing some power. And his dyno graph is so smooth its redonkulous. lol . Every one is right IMO. Peace of mine goes a long way and doesn't cost much.
I installed my 185 pulley and Eurocharged 550 injectors for my own peace of mind. I also have a friend with a 180 pully and tune and his stock injectors run static at 5600 rpms, so that should say something. He now has a fuel rail and injectors. Again peace of mind goes along way.

My 02!

[AMG E Power]

Originally Posted by e55amgrocket

I believe it's because they keep the tune very safe which is good. They don't do tunes for bigger than a 178-180 I believe and I think there was another member that was out of injector at like 530 or something with kleemann tune.

So y EC over kleemann ? That's the crossroad I'm at. I might to headers first who knows might change my mind

[AMG E Power]

Originally Posted by RedBullJnky

Their tune and pulley size are not as aggressive as most. Angelo has been running Kleeman for years, and is pushing some power. And his dyno graph is so smooth its redonkulous. lol . Every one is right IMO. Peace of mine goes a long way and doesn't cost much.
I installed my 185 pulley and Eurocharged 550 injectors for my own peace of mind. I also have a friend with a 180 pully and tune and his stock injectors run static at 5600 rpms, so that should say something. He now has a fuel rail and injectors. Again peace of mind goes along way.

My 02!

Thanks it's always appreciated coming from you. I got my injectors. I dont think I'm gonna bother with the loop rail after all I look at ur beast and u don't have either and ur car is fast as F**k !!! So I'll b good without I think as well

[e55amgrocket]

EC does a lot more tuning and has tunes for a lot more mods than kleemann has. Not knocking kleemann or anything at al I'm
Just saying EC has done a lot more custom tuning to get more files down for
Cars with bigger injectors and more mods

[RedBullJnky]

Originally Posted by e55amgrocket

EC does a lot more tuning and has tunes for a lot more mods than kleemann has. Not knocking kleemann or anything at al I'm
Just saying EC has done a lot more custom tuning to get more files down for
Cars with bigger injectors and more mods

Yes they do! Jerry is very good at what he does. You and I both know this. Kleeman is great no doubt, but Eurocharged is on a whole other level. That is why we make the power we do!

[sneakyneon]

I think alot of it has to do with milage as well, These cars are getting older and pumps, filters, regulator and injectors just dont flow as well a they did when there new.
All its going to take for that shop to change there mind is flipping the cost of one engine failure to a leaned out #8 cyl.

[Roverron]

Kleeman = Mercedes Conservative and reliable

Eurocharged = AMG modified and customized to the users needs

Basically both are great platforms one is just custom to be more extreme.

[emoving]

EC is faster not doubt about it! Its all what you want.

[stevebez]

Well interesting ... Plopes car wiith a Kleemann shelf tune , 168 pulley, bolt ons and rear tank, no Cats, ran 181mph in the standing mile.

Also managed 191mph in ~1.5-1.7 mile vmax day...

Stock injectors... and fuel rail.

Fastest E55 on the day ... all bigger pulley cars were slower.

Its interesting how different tunes and methods reach very solid performance levels...

[c32AMG-DTM]

Originally Posted by stevebez

Well interesting ... Plopes car wiith a Kleemann shelf tune , 168 pulley, bolt ons and rear tank, no Cats, ran 181mph in the standing mile.

Also managed 191mph in ~1.5-1.7 mile vmax day...

Stock injectors... and fuel rail.

Fastest E55 on the day ... all bigger pulley cars were slower.

Its interesting how different tunes and methods reach very solid performance levels...

Wasn't aware of that... good info.

[Sanders231]

They don't do tunes for bigger than a 178-180 I believe

[skratch77]

Iv never lost to another tune and had a ec tune on my car.kleemann also does custom tuning and my tune is at the limit they will go.

Iv seen a 168 pulley k tune car run a 11.2 on pump and full weight and kleemann had a custom tune on it.

I have about 30-35,000 miles on my car and its well north of 500whp

I dont see anyone making my power with a 178 pulley and a ec tune and i only have kleemann headers and front catts and the rest of the exh is bone stock.

My car also runs smooth and feels 100% stock and just pulls clean all the way to redline.no fuss and iv been there and done that with retunes but kleemann did it right and have there tunes perfected with there first flash.

There k4 file is worth it and i wouldnt run another tune even if you gave me 5 grand with it

check out this car built at fabspeed,all it had was a k2 setup.168 pulley and kleemann headers and broke 520whp

[skratch77]

watch this video about Klee and check out how they make there own blowers,freaking melt the metal and build it from scratch.

You Tube

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[skratch77]

Originally Posted by Roverron

Kleeman = Mercedes Conservative and reliable

Eurocharged = AMG modified and customized to the users needs

Basically both are great platforms one is just custom to be more extreme.

there k4 kit rated at 640hp is conservative?

I asked for more power and they had to ask there engineer that cant speak a word of english and he came back and said your car will knock and pull timing if we add anymore and that Im at the very limit that they will go.

I actually told them I want to lower my boost to a 168 because I cant use the power on the street and love how people that have never even been in a k car think they are conservative.

I dont remember what my first gear feels like as its been over 2 years since I went wot in first with traction and that was with a EC tune btw!!!

[Roverron]

I'm not sure if English is your first language.
If you look the word up you will understand that what I meant is "tending to be moderate or cautious: a conservative estimate "


It was meant as a safety point not with limits or saying that they can't be more aggressive.

[e55amgrocket]

Kleemann dosent make the supercharger FYI. They use eaton superchargers now i think and used autorotor for while too. They do make the manifold for the blower though.

[skratch77]

Originally Posted by e55amgrocket

Kleemann dosent make the supercharger FYI. They use eaton superchargers now i think and used autorotor for while too. They do make the manifold for the blower though.

Check out the video at 9.10 min,it shows a guy wearing a K shirt put in a round tube of metel to make the twin screw part of the blower.

[Craigo]

Kleemann tune here, switched from EC years ago due to "questionable" tune they slapped on the car during a dyno day in the NE. Ran it for less than 6 weeks (EC tune that is)

No problems with kleemann tune after many hard miles (about 2 years if not more has the car been running kleemann tuning). Car is pretty much "heavily" modified as most would consider here. If not more modified than most E55s you come in contact with on this forum.

[SterlingE55]

Originally Posted by Craigo

Kleemann tune here, switched from EC years ago due to "questionable" tune they slapped on the car during a dyno day in the NE. Ran it for less than 6 weeks (EC tune that is)

No problems with kleemann tune after many hard miles (about 2 years if not more has the car been running kleemann tuning). Car is pretty much "heavily" modified as most would consider here. If not more modified than most E55s you come in contact with on this forum.

What are your mods? I always say go where you can get support. I've had great luck and service from Jerry. Jerry will tune from super safe to max hp depending upon request. If I was in the Denver and had the cash I'd probably go with Cory at Kleemann. Local support is huge. That being said EC remote tuning is a very nice option.

[AMG E Power]

Originally Posted by Craigo

Kleemann tune here, switched from EC years ago due to "questionable" tune they slapped on the car during a dyno day in the NE. Ran it for less than 6 weeks (EC tune that is)

No problems with kleemann tune after many hard miles (about 2 years if not more has the car been running kleemann tuning). Car is pretty much "heavily" modified as most would consider here. If not more modified than most E55s you come in contact with on this forum.

Eurocharged questionable ? i know they have not been around for as long but i have heard alot of good things about them. EC is cheaper and free retunes

[Craigo]

Originally Posted by SterlingE55

What are your mods? I always say go where you can get support. I've had great luck and service from Jerry. Jerry will tune from super safe to max hp depending upon request. If I was in the Denver and had the cash I'd probably go with Cory at Kleemann. Local support is huge. That being said EC remote tuning is a very nice option.

CF Air Boxes, CF Python intake tubes, LSD, PTE Cams, OEM 82MM TB, Supersprint LTs, ASP 180MM crank pulley, evosport 2 piece floating rotors, built heads, ahh the list goes on and on and on.

but NO injectors or fuel rail.

[Craigo]

Originally Posted by AMG E Power

Eurocharged questionable ? i know they have not been around for as long but i have heard alot of good things about them. EC is cheaper and free retunes

Do some digging, and maybe you'll unfold their past....